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Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/21/2009 1:03:29 PM   
SRflyfishin

 

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Has anyone here used synthetic dubbing? Past couple days, been trying to use this stuff(Arizona Synthetic Peacock dubbing), and just can't seem to get it to work. I'm thinking I may need some stickier dubbing wax, I'm using Wapsi premium dubbing wax, which works just fine for the natural hares ear dubbing, but the synthetic stuff just doesn't wanna work. Any help is appreciated. I'm fairly new to tying.



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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/21/2009 1:52:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some synthetics are much stiffer than natural fibers. Make sure you "roll" it in only one direction, and only use a tiny amount at a time. The wax...any wax...may help...a little. But for me, wax didnt make too much of a difference. Using small amounts at a time did. Among synthetics I've used...Ice Dub is fairly tricky at times, spectrablend is easier, and synthetic dry dubbing, like Superfine, rolls up like a dream.

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/21/2009 2:52:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		cold gave you good advice for applying coarse dubbing.
Also, for some flies I tie incorporating Arizona peacock dubbing, I use a dubbing loop and then trim to shape after whip finishing. 

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/21/2009 3:07:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks guys, using very very little at a time did help some. I'm sure the more I do it will get easier.

Dano, a dubbing loop??

Is all the synthetic dubbing, including Superfine harder to roll onto the thread than natural dubbing? I've seen on some tutorial's on YouTube, that you should tear the fibers apart into even finer pieces with the natural stuff, does the synthetic need this done as well? The Arizona peacock dubbing looks pretty fine already.

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/21/2009 3:21:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I use any dubbing, I get a pinch fine enough that I could read a newspaper through it.

Twist onto the thread in only one direction! When I started doing this, it improved my dubbing skills by afactor of ten. Especially with the ice dub, that tended to just kind of unravel when I tried to just roll it between my fingers both ways.

I'm not sure if it matters which direction you twist, but if you were to look down the thread from bobbin to hook, I twist counter-clockwise.

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/21/2009 3:22:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dubbing loop: tie in a loop of slack thread. Apply dubbing inside the loop, twist loop tight to make a "dupping rope", wind into shank in area you want dubbed.

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/21/2009 8:20:20 PM   
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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/21/2009 9:49:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I use quite a bit of the Arizona Synthetic and I absolutely love the Kaufmann SLF dubbings. My guess is that, like stated, that you are trying to put too much material on the thread at once. You should only be applying a very small amount on your thread with any synthetic dubbing. Wax will help a little, but it won't fix the problem entirely. Also, you can take Dano's advice of trying in a dubbing loop. I prefer to dub it directly on the thread and pick it when I am finished.


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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/22/2009 12:51:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I use alot of the wapsi syn. peacock dub and the orvis ice dub and have no problem. I don't use any wax either. Manely because my 2 yr old steals it thinking it's lip gloss. But I always use really small amounts of dub at a time like "COLD" does. And I always direct dub too. I never use a dubin loop. I learned from a guy that pull out the amount of dub your gonna use split it in half and then split it in half again and then you probably still have to much. It's easier to add more dub than havin to unwrap and thin out the you dubbing. And for shaping after fly is finished u can use a brush or use the hard plastic side of a piece of velco and brush down the fly with that. I hope this helps.

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/22/2009 4:45:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SRflyfishin

Dano, a dubbing loop??



Yes, a dubbing loop. Mostly for flat looking nymphs.
I cut the top and bottom of the nymph flat and use curved scissors to taper the sides.

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/22/2009 7:10:54 AM   
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Mainly because my 2 yr old steals it thinking it's lip gloss.


You mean it's not?

...

...it IS edible...right?

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/22/2009 9:04:52 AM   
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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/22/2009 9:31:09 AM   
Cold


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That stuff is delicious.

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/22/2009 9:39:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		i gonna buy wapsi new watermelon flavored dublion wax. it's gonna be the new rage!


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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/30/2009 11:08:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can you apply dubbing to fine copper wire?
If so how is it done, just like with thread?

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/30/2009 11:15:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Katty: You sure can, they call it a dubbing brush, do it the same as a dubbing loop ....jim

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RE: Synthetic dubbing?? - 10/30/2009 11:22:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanx Jim.

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