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Slammin River! - 10/5/2009 3:02:30 PM

Gottumguide

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the trend continues - still back trolling plugs and taking limits daily

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/5/2009 5:44:21 PM

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I did that once.

It's a great way to pizz the fish off and make them strike, but the guide does all the work and the client learns nothing.

I'm not hatin the players, just the game...

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/6/2009 3:03:35 AM

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Gottum,
I am thinking of doing that myself. Looks like fun.
How long should the beadchain be from my plug to the hook? It looks like 3 or 4 inches in the pics. Does that work best?

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/6/2009 5:44:09 AM

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That picture of the little kid holding up that salmon is awesome.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/6/2009 9:30:56 AM

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its nice to see that the law is changes for select fisherman. the hook looks like a treble to me

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/6/2009 10:17:04 AM

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Read the book.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/6/2009 11:43:07 AM

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treble that free swings on a lure, is fine, havent you ever seen the idiots at schoolhouse casting j plugs, hot shots back trolled are fine

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/6/2009 1:27:33 PM

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Read the book.

They didn't give me one at Gmount when I got my license this year.
Can you please post what the regs are on floating lure hooks. I am pretty sure trebles are K but unless something changed it sure looks like those are not 1 1/2 inches from the lure. Please help a guy out before I go salmon fishing with plugs like that if it is illegal. I thought they had to be attached to a ring or swivel also.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/6/2009 3:30:47 PM

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its nice to see that the law is changes for select fisherman. the hook looks like a treble to me-

A "floating lure" is a lure that floats while at rest in water regardless of any weight attached to the line, leader or lure.
Any hooks on a floating lure must be attached to the lure by a ring or swivel.
The distance between the body of a floating lure and the points of any attached hooks shall not exceed one and one-half inches.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/6/2009 5:44:29 PM

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I don't think the Salmon River is big enough for drift boats. They mess it up for everyone else just so they can make money. Just like DSR and Yankee Angler.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/6/2009 6:13:00 PM

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I used to love when the first Dboats, Ken Bud and Ditch as I recall would come through in the winter. Almost always stirred the fish up when they passed by.
Its different now with them all rowing in the middle of the night and parking in one spot all day. Especially when they just float to the unemployment line and park fifty yards from the launch.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/6/2009 6:43:55 PM

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sometimes you have to pay to play, i love the dsr, i hate paying 30 bucks to fish there, but it gets you away from most of the jerks

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 8:25:55 AM

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WTF? where do u see trebs???????
I only use singles hooks!!
great 1st post by the way-
Y don't U crawl back into ur hole!
oh yea and for ur info we(guides) weren't using J-plugs to snag fish-
that's what led to the ban of the trebs in the 1st place-
we actually use plugs to make them bite!

WB-
here's a link to the info
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/31420.html
NO TREBS TIL NOV 1

Salmon River
Oswego
Restricted to 1 hook with a single hook point August 15 through October 31

Floating Lures

A "floating lure" is a lure that floats while at rest in water regardless of any weight attached to the line, leader or lure.

Any hooks on a floating lure must be attached to the lure by a ring or swivel.

The distance between the body of a floating lure and the points of any attached hooks shall not exceed one and one-half inches. WOW thats the best you got crawle back in my hole.1st i fish with a 12 noolde rod 6lb test floating hand tyed egg imitation's . i have personally seen ''you pro guides useing J-PLUGS WITH TREBBLES IN THE RIVER.so dont feed me any of your B/S. 2nd its me and the rest of the fisherman who feed you and your family's so take your "crawl back in your hole and shove it up your a**: i read the book being a law oficer my self. i'm very aware of the law

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 9:02:09 AM

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I'm fairly new on this board, but I know I wouldn't hire GottumGuide after reading posts like that. What a way to represent your business. The class just oozes from your posts.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 9:10:11 AM

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I'm fairly new on this board, but I know I wouldn't hire GottumGuide after reading posts like that. What a way to represent your business. The class just oozes from your posts.

I see nothing but a person that says he was WRONGLY accused of using illegal treble hooks defending himself.
I would take exception to someone saying that about me.
While I have never hired a guide on the SR Gottum is highly recommended. I have witnessed him fishing with clients and have never seen him do anything that wasn't honorable.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 10:13:48 AM

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quote:

Y don't U crawl back into ur hole!

So that ^^^^^ is 100% necessary? Defending yourself and insulting others are two different things. He could have defended himself by simply posting the link to the regs.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 2:35:12 PM

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You're right but a cheap shot begets a cheap shot.
Make false claims about someone and mess with their income and you deserve whatever you get.
I am sure Gottum will do fine without your or my business. He has a full boat all season long without us.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 3:23:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: waDerboy

it sure looks like those are not 1 1/2 inches from the lure. I thought they had to be attached to a ring or swivel also.

Good eye?

or

Bad camera Angle?

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 3:54:41 PM

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Thanks for mentioning the good eyes. I am just recovering from having new plastic lens implanted because of cataracts. Even so it is hard to tell from a photo for sure. It was the bead chain that caught mu attention. I was on the river in the jplug snagging haydays when they used to attach a series of trebles a foot long and cast reel like hell and repeat.
It could it be like pinners and their shot strings. Half the time they have some shot more than 4 feet from the hook. Might not be technically legal but since the DEC can observe that boat pluggers aren't raking and raping the kings they don't hassle them.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 4:41:31 PM

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I think your eyesight is working just fine.

I also think some of the regs that pertain specifically to the Salmon River are questionable.

I understand outlawing the use of trebles during the salmon runs based on the history of the J-plug and the Michigan Cricket.

But in the case of Gottum's pictures I don't see any harm if he rigged up his hook point 3" from the lure body -vs- 1.5".

Same goes for a pinner that rigs his float and anchor shot more than 4' up the line to be able to effectively fish deep holes like the Sportmans.

If they are not rippin and rakin, then no harm, no foul.

For the most part, the DEC makes a judgement call based on the behavior of the fisherman, as it should be.

p.s. - congrats on the new lenses. I had implants installed several years ago. Now I enjoy 20/25 vision and never have to worry about cataracts again.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 4:47:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: waDerboy

You're right but a cheap shot begets a cheap shot.
Make false claims about someone and mess with their income and you deserve whatever you get.
I am sure Gottum will do fine without your or my business. He has a full boat all season long without us.

Actually, I think comments like he posted in a public forum are more damaging to his income than someone saying he's slingin trebs. If he's wrongly accused, point out the accuser's err and move on. No need for rude remarks. I'm just sayin from an outsider's (potential customer's) point of view, it looks bad is all.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 8:10:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: draketrutta

I think your eyesight is working just fine.

I also think some of the regs that pertain specifically to the Salmon River are questionable.

I understand outlawing the use of trebles during the salmon runs based on the history of the J-plug and the Michigan Cricket.

But in the case of Gottum's pictures I don't see any harm if he rigged up his hook point 3" from the lure body -vs- 1.5".

Same goes for a pinner that rigs his float and anchor shot more than 4' up the line to be able to effectively fish deep holes like the Sportmans.

If they are not rippin and rakin, then no harm, no foul.

For the most part, the DEC makes a judgement call based on the behavior of the fisherman, as it should be.

p.s. - congrats on the new lenses. I had implants installed several years ago. Now I enjoy 20/25 vision and never have to worry about cataracts again.

I don't know how you would ever get a hookup with a single 1/2 gap hook hanging from the middle hook of a flatfish.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 9:33:57 PM

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You ****es are old. Gottom is da poop & I don't say that about just anyone. I wish I had the $ to fish with him when I get up there.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/9/2009 10:06:58 PM

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I guess it's a personal preference for some, especially those folks that are not mobile on their own two legs.

I prefer to walk & wade.

Personally, I think the guides charge too much for the SR.

It ain't exactly rocket science.....

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/10/2009 11:36:45 AM

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first you accuse a very popular guide of breaking the law, then you cry that he defends himself. all of you need to go back to PA < JERSEY, CONN and where ever else you came from, you just come up here and !@#$$, friday water was high and i lost 9 fish before i decided to try the streams, filled with out of state plates and guys dragging out black white tipped kings, what a show, i saw a guy teaching his son how to snag, saw a kid herding the fish so they could be snagged, seriously, lets start a petition to have trout and orwell closed from sept 1 to nov 15th, then i went to the sandys, caught a nice domestic rainbow below the bridge, released it, and it was sitting in a pocket above me, guy comes over throws a lb of lead and rips, hooks it in the A%^ and throws it on his stringer. sorry but everyone ****es about wheres the steelhead and rainbows, RELEASE THEM. GOD

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/10/2009 2:23:48 PM

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it sounds like everyone has to calm down in here. do we come here to prove a point or do we come to assist others and try to give useful information so we can keep a good future fishery for ourselves. i'd rather be fishing the trestle pool in mid october than listening to you people bicker... let us fish, not fight. fish on...

PS... and whether those are trebles or not, i'd guarantee all of those kings slammed those flat fish. to each their own...

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/10/2009 2:27:01 PM

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first you accuse a very popular guide of breaking the law, then you cry that he defends himself. all of you need to go back to PA < JERSEY, CONN and where ever else you came from, you just come up here and !@#$$, friday water was high and i lost 9 fish before i decided to try the streams, filled with out of state plates and guys dragging out black white tipped kings, what a show, i saw a guy teaching his son how to snag, saw a kid herding the fish so they could be snagged, seriously, lets start a petition to have trout and orwell closed from sept 1 to nov 15th, then i went to the sandys, caught a nice domestic rainbow below the bridge, released it, and it was sitting in a pocket above me, guy comes over throws a lb of lead and rips, hooks it in the A%^ and throws it on his stringer. sorry but everyone ****es about wheres the steelhead and rainbows, RELEASE THEM. GOD

Amen Bro.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/11/2009 12:06:07 AM

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This sounds a lot like Skiers vs. Boarders. Except we cant make a river just for us fly-guys. So to me it's HOW you hook up. If they strike it, it's fishing. Anywhere else, its an accident, so let 'em go.
Fly fishermen fish for the whole experience, I think, not just the catch. Our stories are better, too.

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/12/2009 9:28:46 AM

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Hey gottum, nice salmon dude. How long till you switch over to steel?

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RE: Slammin River! - 10/12/2009 10:02:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: draketrutta

I guess it's a personal preference for some, especially those folks that are not mobile on their own two legs.

I prefer to walk & wade.

Personally, I think the guides charge too much for the SR.

It ain't exactly rocket science.....

DT- I don't mind the walk. I hired the gottom for a day once & that's what we did. I wanted to learn me some good water & get a better eye for what I was doing as far as being a better Steelhead fisher up there. I'm no slouch as a fur flinger, but I fish mostly Spring Creeks. This big river stuff is a little intimidating- esp. with the limmited time people like me get up there. I mean a buck fifty to learn some water & learning what a person who lives on that water does to make the magic happen is totally worth it to me.
Does this make sense? I'm a little nervous- getting more nerves destroyed in my back @ noon.

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