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Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/12/2008 1:59:56 PM

Fishinguru

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I just wanted to say that some of the post here are pretty honest but a few are severely exagerated!
I have been there three times as a local and the salmon are running so-so with 15-20 pounders. The big boys are not in the river yet or they're hangin down by the inlet. I fished the river from the inlet by boat to the falls on foot and saw less than average catches! Those that did have a fish were in the 15-20 pound range or less. I didn't see anyone with multiple catches as some have claimed on here. I think their imagination got the best of them. Been doing this for 30 years or better.
The days I was there, the vehicle license plates were mostly PA and VT with very few NYS!
You can feed the bait and tackle shops all the money you want but Salmon don't feed nor bite during the spawning season once they enter the river! The trick is "snagging"-PERIOD! The fish build up and feed while out in the lake for the river run! I'm sure I'll here all kinds of disagreements but ask any of the locals and see what they have to say!- (NOT THE BAIT AND TACKLE SHOPS)

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/12/2008 2:32:33 PM

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You forgot about the GUIDES..

I agree with you about the Salmon in the river. Most are blatently snagged or lined by the finesse guys that claim they legitimately caught the fish RIGHT IN THE MOUTH.

I avoid that place for the entire month of October. Too many people who know nothing about proper fishing techniques or etiquette, and the litter they leave behind makes me sick to my stomach - just too much BS for me to handle.

Try fishing it later in the year for Steelhead. It is a much more enjoyable experience.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/12/2008 3:51:49 PM

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Let me say this: The river is LOADED with fish. All one need to do is ride in the upper river and tribs and look, you'll see hundreds if not thousand.
Personally I do not fish for salmon in the upper portions of the river.

Have been taking people out since late Aug. and every day we se fish moving through the lower river.Folks, with the good flows we have had it would be hard for the novice to notice the BIG "RUN" because fish are steadly moving through.
We do not catch those big numbers some folks say. If we catch 1 fish it's a good day if we catch 12 it was amazing. Not every fish will strike, the ones that wont we let move on .
If you think you need to snag a fish than your a FOOL.... Plain and simple.
With 750 flows my clients have used a weight forward floating line 10>12# tippet with 1> # 3/0 shot and a Chartreuse comet. We fish the correct water, not the sucker holes. they fish active moving and holding fish while swinging the fly at a side profile level to the line of sight giving the fish a chance to strike the fly.
In 500cfm same but with 2 bb shot. 335 1 b shot.
Almost everyone is using WAY to much weight which results in tail & belly hooks.
Here is a shot of the right and wrong way to fish.
Notice the red fur ball in the fish's back. That angler had way to much weight a tried to hook the fish.
Now NOTICE my fly. little weight, side profile and aggressive strike, we watched this fish bite.

If you think the fish are small than your wrong. They are running very big this year. We have taken several fish in the 25>30# range.
Here is a pig I caught on my day off.

Here is a first timer to the river and traditional fly fishing. With in 1/2 hour of teaching and willing to listen & learn he was a pro.

Now for trout , they are here & plenty of them.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/12/2008 4:29:09 PM

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30 years and all you can figure out to say is SNAGGING PERIOD is the only way to catch these fish................what a crock........try not giving the fish lead poison and you might catch some fish...........bla bla........they don't eat.........drrrr
but they are agressive fish..........tick one off and he will snap at your fly, bait, whatever...........that is why it is called fishing..........sometimes they will snap at your fly, bait, lure.......sometimes they won't..........

whatever happened to skill.......technique......reading the water...........
nope......I just want to stand over a pool.......rip the rod high and yell FISH ON.........

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/12/2008 4:49:01 PM

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Sorry, but I still believe through personal experience and observation that the majority of Salmon that are not blatenly snagged are lined (whether it be intentional or not).

I admit that I lined many a Salmon - using the exact method described by Hottuna. It works quite well - especially in fast moving water when the fish are stacked.

Feel the Bite ? They are sucking water through their gillls via their gaping jaws and when you feel the headshake they are trying to dislodge the line that has crossed their jaws and very shortly thereafter your hook is in or attached to the corner of their mouth. - FISH ON.

I'm not knocking the true believers andI hope each one of you enjoy your time on the river. I just don't get any satisfaction from lining fish. That's why I choose to skip the salmon run and the associated crowds.

Late November can not come soon enough for me.
When I hookup with a Steelhead - I can yell FISH ON with a true sense of accomplishment and know that the fish tried to eat my offering.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/12/2008 5:51:53 PM

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ok never fished sr but about not biting needing to be snagged or lined how come in oak orchard not the dam but by the bridges we caught tons on skein on a slip bobber they were eatin that right up?????????

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/12/2008 6:27:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pafishingirl

ok never fished sr but about not biting needing to be snagged or lined how come in oak orchard not the dam but by the bridges we caught tons on skein on a slip bobber they were eatin that right up?????????

They are not eating the skein,they are attempting to rebury it in the gravel to preserve the species. Salmon do not feed once they go into a spawning stream. PERIOD. They will become aggressive to a lure, or soemthing that bothers them but do not eat. It is all either spawning and preservation of the species or aggravation brought on by preservation of the species and wanting to kill the competition that will eat their young.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/12/2008 9:15:15 PM

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quote:

They are sucking water through their gillls via their gaping jaws and when you feel the headshake they are trying to dislodge the line that has crossed their jaws and very shortly thereafter your hook is in or attached to the corner of their mouth. - FISH ON

I've read this for years now---but I've yet to see a salmon swimming the river w/ jaws agape(like a basking shark)--sucking in gallons of water to breathe

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/13/2008 4:15:57 AM

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Why can you fish over hundreds of moving fish for hours without lining one of those fish that are sucking in gallons of watyer and then everyone is hooking up? Do these fish only breath at certain times? If it was all lining the hook ups would be consistent thirough out the day. Or could it be that a pod of more competetive and aggressive fish has moved in. This also creates aggression in any fish that have been holding there because they now have to fight for their lies with the new fish. Once they settle in a bit the bite slows down again. It has to do with fishing to aggressive fish. Not all are. Not all will bite. But some do. Saying you have to snag them all is loser cop out.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/13/2008 7:56:15 AM

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Yes- this talk of snagging has no place here. We are here to communicate ethical fishing.
Not all Salmon will strike- just as all Trout don't strike @ everything that's dangled in front of them. In fact the same applies to Trout, Salmon, or any other fish- if you surround them & chunk stuff at them endlessly they're either gonna hit the road, or sulk on the bottom save the village idiot.
Not a secret Salmon are no longer able to consume food upon entering the river, however they do retain the instinct to feed/strike for whatever reason.
To say any different than this is total & absolute ignorance.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/13/2008 10:06:28 AM

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and why is it then that my father now believes the fish will strike a fly?

I'll tell ya why----we were fishing with LARGE stonefly patterns and the silly salmon moved two feet to his left and sucked in my dad's fly---my dad just kept saying.........it moved to my fly and sucked it in.....I said, yes they do that from time to time........it does happen........if YOU FISH FOR THEM.......you can't expect every fish to bite....won't happen........

I remember the first fish I put my dad on.........we were walking up stream of the tressel...........and I spotted a male and female........HUGE FISH..........I told my dad to kneel down and not to move..........I made a cast with a honker woolybugger that was all decked out with rubber legs.......the male swatted at it the first time but missed.......2nd and 3rd time he didn't move...........my dad was getting anxious...........I said give it a minute or so.....waited a few minutes and swung the fly past the male........he nipped it........then he turned his entire body around chased the fly and sucked it in.........FISH ON.........I gave the rod to my dad and said to hang on......it was the first salmon my dad ever tried to land..........the look on his face was priceless...........after about a 20 minute fight, the fish ran under a some downed branches and broke off........it was an awesome battle......all legal in every sense...........

yeah they won't bite ................PLEASE............fish for them.......it is lots more fun!!!!

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/14/2008 9:00:09 PM

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I noticed most agreed with me while some did not. I can honestly say these people who disagree must have some association with the $$$$$$$coming into Pulaski! I have fished that river over 30 years and every fish I ever saw caught was "snagged" upstream! Salmon do NOT feed while in the river spawning whether it be in NYS, Washington State, Alaska or where ever. Those that claim they do need to talk with a biologist or someone from the NYS DEC that knows what they are talking about.
Some fish might bite at something they feel threatening or bothersome, but they are NOT feeding!!!
You'll hear all kinds of stories if you visit any of the local shops whether baitand tackle or what ever-they have an intrest in the $$$$$ so they are going to tell you what they want you to hear.
It's just like the deer hunting in the Catskills or Adirondacks. Those of us who have been die hards for 30 years knows damn well you don't see the herds we once saw 30 years ago. The population is drastically decreased over the years and the DEC will tell you otherwise along with any business owner that has a stake in the season-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!
It's all a money scam and nothing more! You have to get out and find out for yourself!
The steelhead and big browns will feed but the salmon do NOT! I've watched some of these so called "pros" and listened to their stories in the local restaurants. If you can't distinquish BS from truth, then you need to find another hobby! Just like the guy that shot at 15 bucks, one bigger than the next, but where's the venison??? Most guys are lucky to get a shot at one buck!

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/14/2008 9:20:07 PM

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Thank you. Your 2 posts have really enlightened us.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/14/2008 9:50:40 PM

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I hope I have enlightened those of you who give your weeks pay check to all the bait and tackle shops that will tell you anything and sell you anything!
The truth of the matter is, if my assesment is incorrect, than let the "pros" explain to me why the DEC has "incognitos" posted all along the river just waiting for the "BUST"? Because they know that salmon don't feed in spawn and therefore the only means of catching one is in a net or by snagging one!
I have nothing against the shops and owners but try living by the old policy- "honesty is the best policy"!
I've watched the "pros" use their "trebble hooks" too when they think no one's watching or they're fishing before daylight! I saw one genius two years ago pull up anchor after hooking the salmon and ram his boat into everyone elses in an attempt to land the fish. Guess he was too professional to wind the reel?????????????????

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/15/2008 12:21:22 AM

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Fishinguru,why don't you take up bowling,or some other sport?It would be less frustrating for you,and one less BSer for the rest of us.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/15/2008 2:07:21 AM

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Hi! Just joined the site right now. Would like to thank fishinguru for that! I"ve been reading this site for a couple years now, and finally become a member. I've been fishin the SR for approximately 14yrs. now and nothing you said has been more right on than the truth! Way to go with tellin like it is! Be careful, lift gently, & FISH ON!

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/15/2008 5:56:50 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fishinguru

I hope I have enlightened those of you who give your weeks pay check to all the bait and tackle shops that will tell you anything and sell you anything!
The truth of the matter is, if my assesment is incorrect, than let the "pros" explain to me why the DEC has "incognitos" posted all along the river just waiting for the "BUST"? Because they know that salmon don't feed in spawn and therefore the only means of catching one is in a net or by snagging one!
I have nothing against the shops and owners but try living by the old policy- "honesty is the best policy"!
I've watched the "pros" use their "trebble hooks" too when they think no one's watching or they're fishing before daylight! I saw one genius two years ago pull up anchor after hooking the salmon and ram his boat into everyone elses in an attempt to land the fish. Guess he was too professional to wind the reel?????????????????

They are posted incognito to bust the snagging a##hats. It is illegal and that is what most police undercover operations are intended to do. Catch people doing illegal things. Was that a good enough explanation or should I type slower and louder so you can understand it next time?

Fishing a 1/2 hour before sunrise is legal. Is that what you meant by fishing before daylight?

Has someone said here that spawning salmon feed? I see people write that they bite or strike but not that they are feeding.

Since honesty is the best policy here is some. You are not a very good troll!!!

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/15/2008 7:44:57 AM

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if snaged release guess what not ticket
i fish for salmon and we fish a few hrs into the night using glow spoons or rattle trap we use a black light to charge the spoons the flashers work good but the black light gets a stronger glow

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/15/2008 9:04:46 AM

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I'd like to ask you all who support the illegal acts to read the rules fishusa has in place.
This is a place for ethical fishing talk.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/15/2008 9:45:12 AM

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hard to explain, if they don't bite
why all the ones i caught on floats and skein and egg sac, were hooked in the mouth or deep in the mouth

the fish will bite
you have to find the one that will by taking a walk

i mean these fish are not stupid enough to bite if they've been ducking hooks and lead (tin) all day
but if you find them undisturbed, they will play

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/15/2008 11:31:20 AM

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the fish don't feed........the fish don't feed.........is that on a loop.......who the hell on here has stated that???
They will STRIKE....with quite bad intentions anything they do not want in their space........FACT.....

I have nothing to do with Pulaski other than fishing there a few times a year........no money in it for me......JUST SPORT.........sport......

PAFISHER--where is my report??? Hope you did OK up there........can't wait til' monday........then TUESDAY morning....hopefully many a fish on...........

It is just sad the mentality of some folks...........how can New York turn something that was so wrong--the snagging days--into something that is world class..........bottom line is if DEC does not patrol the river--hardcore style........---and cite everything that is illegal.........you are never going to change the mindset of the general public.....nonetheless the locals.......and the new rules for the fly zone........like I said....I really don't care too much.......I fish with WF-F / mini-sinktip line and minimal weight..........but how about enforcing the rules, laws, and regs that are already in place before you go nuts trying to make a certain area of the river PRISTINE........I mean....we have a world class fishery.......full of wonderful outdoorsmen and outdoorswomen.......but you have to fish in the fly zones for it to be sporting..........and DSR...........anywhere outside of those two areas and you are in a free for all -- anything goes type of fishing.........now that is sad........maybe if they, DEC, puts an office on the river, as stated might be happening on this site........maybe....the training facility will house a few extra officers every year.........and hopefully the new officers who are gung-ho will lay claim to the river.......and make the entire river a pleasant place to fish..........there is way too much illegal activity going on along that river when the salmon run.....littering.......snagging.....etc....the list goes on

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/15/2008 11:59:08 AM

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guru i'm another one with nothing to do with pulaski just a guy that loves to fish. You go to some of the popular holes the ones most people talk about on these boards and you have people throwing so much lead in it looks like they're dropping anchore of coarse they're not going to bite they're shell shock. Next time your up there go for a walk off the beaten path and you'll see these fish can be fished for. It's like any other fishing how many fish does your cut bait go by out in the lake without them bitting. Same thing goes for in the river. With that said I wish DEC policed more and got rid of some more of the people that are just out there snagging and ruining it for the rest of us.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/15/2008 1:42:33 PM

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It is hard to tell if they are eating or attacking out of aggression cause one time my friends and i got into a motherload of a pod of fish and we were hooking up one after another all mouth hooked.When one of my friends ran out of bait he put the butt from a cigerette and continued to catch fish. I agree with all the people on this forum about proper fishing but i don't worry about how the guy next to is fishing cause I'm not the one who will get the ticket and i know that when i hook up it is because i took the time to learn how to.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/15/2008 6:32:42 PM

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BSguwho:
get a clue, your thoughts are yours but your facts are full of hot air.
I did not see anyone agree with your theory about lining fish or salmon feeding in the river. They strike....... If you fish the proper water and methods, the lead slinging is for suckers who have no clue. If you feel the need to not fish for them than please stay home and don't.
Next deer, I have been hunting deer for 38 years. If you think the population is less then again study the facts. The populations are at their highest levels, more tags to harvest deer are given then ever before.I can legally harvest 4 deer in NY. Less hunters than ever . More cars hit deer than ever before, even the moose population in NY is at it's highest level.
Please give us all a break and post some real information.

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 10/16/2008 4:20:22 PM

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Can't believe some of the BS going on in this thread.

To accept that the only way to catch a fish is by lining or snagging is appaling. And only for people who lack the skills or desire to catch a fish legally.

Scumbags

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RE: Salmon River Fishing-OCTOBER 2008 - 11/4/2008 11:03:26 AM

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