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Racism - 11/12/2008 10:40:30 AM   
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With the election of our first biracial president there has been a lot of talk about race and racism.  It was inevitable and in some senses hopefully will lead to some better understanding between people of all races.
 
I want to tell you two stories that have marked key turning points in my life when it comes to my understanding of racism.  The first came many years ago soon after I had taken my current job.  There was an African American man working in my department that I quickly became friends with.  We both had grown up in the south, and even for a period of time lived in the same area.  He was quite a bit older than me, married and had two children.  Over a period of time of talking and swapping stories I thought we were good friends, good enough friends that race was not an issue in our relationship.  I was wrong.
 
One day I said something in passing about stepping and fetching, which I felt was innocuous.  My friend’s demeanor changed completely and he asked me to step into his office.  When I did he told me in no uncertain terms he found my comment to be racist and offensive and did not appreciate it.  I was taken aback because I thought we were friends and I could kid around with him.  We were friends, but there were some things that were not funny to him.
 
He went on to tell me about how he had to deal with racism all of his life.  Growing up in North Carolina in the 1940’s and 50’s, living with segregation.  How he dealt with racism in the army while he trained to become a paratrooper.  How he had to confront racism when he entered college and graduate school and even was told he was pretty smart even if he was a n$^^#r.  How when he arrived in our town and one morning looked out of his bedroom window and saw a dead raccoon hanging from a tree by a roped tied in a hangman’s noose.  How he had been confronted by a man in the local supermarket who told him to keep his n$^^#r kids away from his kids.  When he told the man his son was an infant, there was no apology, just a comment about how the man had gotten the wrong n$^^#r.  Here was a man who had served his country in the army, gone to college and graduate school and earned not only a BS, but also an MS and Ph.D.  A man was a good citizen, a father and a role model for many people, who still felt the sting of a racist comment.
 
What I learned from that time I spent with my friend, and I should say we are still very dear friends to this day, was our experiences shape us and that each of us has a different sensitivity for the things that we find to be offensive and harmful.  I realized that even when we know someone well, we don’t know them as well as we thought and to take liberties with our relationship is not a good thing to do.
 
The second story was one my mom told me.  She moved about 8 years ago into a new house.  It is a very nice upper middle class neighborhood in a town in southeastern Virginia.  Her immediate neighbors are African American; very nice people who had grown up in the area, but had lived in the north for many years.  They had returned to the area because they wanted to be close to family and friends.  After a few weeks, mom had become friends with her neighbors and enjoyed their company. 
 
One day mom was planning on going out of town for a few weeks, so she wanted someone to come in and water her plants and just check the house over while she was gone.  Naturally she went next door to the neighbor’s house to ask the neighbor lady if she would be willing to watch the house and water the plants.  Mom had a key for her and information about where she was going, how to contact her in case of an emergency and when she would return.  When she asked the neighbor lady if she would not mind helping her out, the reaction my mom got was quite surprising to her.  Basically the lady was shocked that a white person would trust her with the key to her house and felt comfortable enough with a “Black” person having that responsibility.  After some conversation, my mom came to realize this was one of the first times in this woman’s life where this lady had interacted with a white person in such away that race was not part of the relationship.
 
The point of that story is that racism is not limited to white people.  My mother’s neighbor had a difficult time with a white person trusting her and seeing her as an equal and a neighbor and even more as a true friend.  BTW – 8 years on my mom and her neighbors are very close friends.
 
Why go through all of this you ask?  Racism is not a simple thing we can just describe with a few words or phrases.  It is a deep seated set of emotions, beliefs and worldviews that develop in all of us as the result of our experiences.  What one person may find as a joke and harmless can evoke visceral negative feelings in another.  We all do not see the world the same way, nor do we all have the benefit of knowing how others do.  Even when we think we understand another person, we will find out we only have begun to truly know them.
 
It is my hope that as all the members of this online community come to know one another better in our posts we will be sensitive to the fact what we say and how we say it matters.  Also, when we offend each other, it is my hope we will have the ability to forgive and allow ourselves to be forgiven.  Positive relationships need work, a lot of forgiveness, sensitivity and a time to grow, but if you allow them to grow, they are more valuable than gold.

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 11:16:31 AM   
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Fantastic post, Bug.  By far one of the best I've ever read. 

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 11:28:26 AM   
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Your the yoda of the board bug, great post.


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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 11:36:57 AM   
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Excellent post Bug and you are exactly right.  I was one of the people involved in the racial political post and I was a little hasty in labeling some people in that thread.  I appologized and unfortunatley my appology was ignored, so I moved on and came to find out that the thread was deleted, as it should of been.  I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say here except that this post is dead on and I feel even more like an ass after reading it.  Whether I was in the right or the wrong, it really doesn't matter.  The fact is I was part of the greater problem.

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 11:37:54 AM   
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chaunc, dt, indy, doc........come back

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 11:45:00 AM   
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Very nicely said Bug.

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 12:24:59 PM   
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Excellent post Bug!

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 1:22:14 PM   
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What an excellent post Bug.

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 2:35:15 PM   
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Thank you for that. Hopefully everyone reads this. I would even paste it to the top of the board as a must read.

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 5:03:57 PM   
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Great post... I have a good friend who is a black man, and we joke and kid around about the race thing but I'll bet he wouldn't apreciate it if I dropped the N bomb. Not because he would think I ment and thing by it, but because of the way it has been and still is used in a negative way.

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 7:12:22 PM   
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Insightful, honest and meaningful...as always Bughawk.  Thanks...

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 8:57:44 PM   
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Has anyone noticed how racist many people they know have become since Obama was elected?  I've heard comments from people that I never suspected were racist.  You are right, you never really know someone as much as you might have thought.

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RE: Racism - 11/12/2008 10:26:45 PM   
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Very good post ! You guys can beat me up if you want but I believe that in the bible there is no color....correct ? You can't judge someone for the color of their skin............a man is a man. It's what we do as men.....and so far we've failed.

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 8:55:00 AM   
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quote:

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Very good post ! You guys can beat me up if you want but I believe that in the bible there is no color....correct ? You can't judge someone for the color of their skin............a man is a man. It's what we do as men.....and so far we've failed.


Good call, Jesus and his disciples were all of color.

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 10:52:49 AM   
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i had a friend from school we did alot of things together we fished worked went to the watering hole and i stuck up for him like a blood brother ,then he found what he called his roots, he got me for money and for jobs and now white people are good for nothing , I'm a bad person for my color hhhh??? wtf all men are to be = ....... to this day I'm shocked after all of those years all of his white friends stop talking to him i mean all and some of them have black kids and wifes who is to blame let me guess George bush .
its not only white people who are raciest, a Mexican does not like a itt or a Irishman and the list goes on , one day not in my life time will that hatred go away but who knows

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 11:16:23 AM   
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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 12:03:40 PM   
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Just don't forget that by saying "all men are equal" you are still being racist (not that you meant it that way), Just because it is cheauvinism (sp) does not mean it is not racist. 
My only intention here is to point out that the person who didn't vote for Obama because of his color is no worse or no better, than the one that did not vote for Hillary because of her sex.

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 12:11:29 PM   
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If you are implying that by saying "all men are equal" you are being racist against women, that would be incorrect, that would be being sexist.  If you're implying something else, it went right over my head.

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 12:21:40 PM   
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no i mean its tough to be neutral but i try and that is more than a lot of peeps do and we all need to do a little more ,as far as women my wife works her 40 hrs and comes home does not cook that much and hates house work shes = to a man in ways , but she can have have a baby ,and she would have a tough time doing the work i get into, she has a tough time carrying a 50# salt block and a 55#of dog food at the same time ,
she is not worse or better and a color of your skin does not make any one better or worse i feel its the way the kids were raised

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 12:27:55 PM   
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The first post in this thread says all that needs to be said.

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 12:45:15 PM   
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The first post in this thread says all that needs to be said.

AMEN.....don't dilute the value of the post with debate.

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 12:51:43 PM   
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if we all got along there would be no wars and no jails needed

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 1:01:53 PM   
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there is no difference between racism and sexism

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 2:49:05 PM   
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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 7:00:48 PM   
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Good post Bug..

Lets just all hope he doesn't divide the country the way just discussing his win here has divided this board..



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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 8:34:57 PM   
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Good post.You allways know exactly what to say,you are a wise man...

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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 9:53:56 PM   
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I'll say it again. The different races will become more divided as a result of this election since the days before the abolishment of slavery.
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Good post Bug..

Lets just all hope he doesn't divide the country the way just discussing his win here has divided this board..



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RE: Racism - 11/13/2008 11:41:08 PM   
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The first post in this thread says all that needs to be said.
The first post in this thread says all that needs to be said.
The first post in this thread says all that needs to be said. 


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RE: Racism - 11/14/2008 10:33:28 AM   
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AMEN.....don't dilute the value of the post with debate.

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RE: Racism - 11/14/2008 10:49:32 AM   
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you're good

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