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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 11:09:15
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PSU sorry I didn't see your question. I lived in Franklin for 40 yrs. pretty much hunted all of Venango County. Bought thirty acres near Cooperstown living there 10 years before downsizing and buying 17 acres of Penn's Woods in Mercer County.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 11:13:11
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Not to sidetrack but I have a question regarding the planting of "food plots" for wildgame.
Is it legal to hunt over a "food plot" planted on private property?
Gamelands yes; private property??
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2017/01/17 12:01:33
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Yes yes yes. Even better your aloud to bait on private property in Ohio. I've hunted Ohio for 27 years and never did it. But this year I dumped 100 lbs of shelled corn a week before I hunted first evening nothing second evening 3 does and the buck I shot. I'll probably never do it again but deer came to it. A lot of TV hunting show are over bait or food plots. I'm going to plant a portion of the field in Ohio with something this year. The farmers going to do corn,so I'm researching something not plant that will be available to eat after the corn is gone. I considering soy beans,they love them green and they love them standing in the winter.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 12:27:54
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Yes, quite legal to hunt over food plot(s) on private property.
If I had land, I would plant a couple different plots. One would be perennial like clover, one would be early season bow plot, and another plot would be something to help the deer get through the winter months, like turnips, groundhog radish, etc
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 12:39:58
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Food plots have transformed our hunting. Dont get me wrong there is no free ride. The increase in hunting quality was paid for by my time, effort and money (to buy product). Expect at least a couple year lag time for the deer to find and use the plot fully. There is a satisfaction that comes with seeing the deer use the plot as its intended, by no means is it a guarantee you shoot a big buck, or a buck. I get a huge kick out of getting camera photos of seeing 15 deer in the photo all pawing the ground to pull up turnips, and my photo doesnt cover the entire plot.
My advise is do your homework, dont skimp on soil/weed treatment, have realistic expectations, and change the way you hunt them
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 13:14:27
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OK, so the big meeting with the PGC is the 27th, correct?
How come there is STILL nothing published on the PGC website as far as outline/itinerary?
I expect it any day now. It is historically posted 10-14 days prior to the meeting. In talking with a few commissioners, I suspect they have been doing some scrambling cause of the new law that was recently passed to come up with an official voting agenda. One commissioner told me that the regulations proposed for air rifles at the working group meeting were already being tweaked again prior to the agenda being put together.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 13:19:45
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I'm going to plant a portion of the field in Ohio with something this year. The farmers going to do corn,so I'm researching something not plant that will be available to eat after the corn is gone. I considering soy beans,they love them green and they love them standing in the winter.
Some form of turnips is hard to beat for late season. It can take deer some time to utilize them, but when they start too, it can be a magnet. Good thing is they usually won't bother them much till very late in the season.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 16:04:03
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Thank you regarding the food plot. Great information annd greatly appreciated. 
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 16:14:16
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From what I've read and studied something that are unfamiliar foods deer don't take too. I have a 1 acre vegetable garden that I plant some form of cover crop in September,rye,oats,turnips,kale,my back yard deer herd did not like turnips and either do I. They ate the green rye,and the oats but extended cold kills the oats.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 17:29:19
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The agenda for the upcoming meeting is posted on the PGC site now. Left side under meetings.
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2017/01/17 17:46:05
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ON the agenda, they proposed "all in" with semiautomatic firearms. All seasons with a mag restriction of 5 for big game. No mag restriction for small game and furbearers.
I would be shocked if this was not amended at the meeting to exclude big game. Who knows. I support semis for all species, though.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 20:49:33
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You looking for a food plot that will produce in a hurry? Look into a company called BioLogic. We've planted several plots and they are deer magnets. We've even planted them late in the summer ( spring is obviously better ) with great success. I like to portion a section off for Chicory. Doe wont hardly touch it, Bucks cant resist it. BH
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2017/01/17 20:53:13
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BTW, that Big Azz buck in the 3rd picture, still alive and still only a Monster 4 point. I've been catchin that deer on film for the past 6 years. Always grows a monster Y, nothing more, nothing less.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/17 21:09:00
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BTW, that Big Azz buck in the 3rd picture, still alive and still only a Monster 4 point. I've been catchin that deer on film for the past 6 years. Always grows a monster Y, nothing more, nothing less.
BH
Thanks for the advice BH, will look into the Biologic company. Update; just checking it out and it is Mossy Oak Biologics, otherwise you get a bunch scary biological stuff. lol Thanks again.  Have you had a mineral block out in the vicinity of that monster 4 point?
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2017/01/17 22:03:13
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Yes, Mossy Oak Biologic. " Perfect Plot " mix. Them New Zealand red and white clovers get hammered. I tried a mineral block on that property and never got touched. Dunno if I had a bad block, because the deer didnt seem interested.
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2017/01/17 22:58:26
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That Mossy Oak sight is really interesting. Good prices on many of the seeds.
Mineral block thingy isn't really suprising. However, I have holes in the ground from deer digging where blocks have disolved. Had one sitting on a stump and deer nawled the stump.
Anyway, sent my neighbor the food plot info and he's all kinds of excited.
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2017/01/18 06:13:09
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/18 08:15:41
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ON the agenda, they proposed "all in" with semiautomatic firearms. All seasons with a mag restriction of 5 for big game. No mag restriction for small game and furbearers.
I would be shocked if this was not amended at the meeting to exclude big game. Who knows. I support semis for all species, though.
I believe the only "stamp" proposed is the $25 pheasant stamp. I'm glad the BOC got enough negative emails on the $10 SGL user fee
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2017/01/18 09:04:54
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I believe the only "stamp" proposed is the $25 pheasant stamp. I'm glad the BOC got enough negative emails on the $10 SGL user fee
It will be interesting to see if they do pass the pheasant permit, how many pheasant hunters we lose.
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2017/01/18 09:16:15
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PGC not concerned with losing Pheasant hunters. More so they will use that as a excuse. No longer "enough" hunters to warrant the program. As for the $10.00 game land user fee. Was that for non-hunters only and if not was there ever such a fee imposed for non-hunters?
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2017/01/18 10:25:11
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With the Game Com. present status as far as not paying property taxes to townships and schools (they pay $1.20/acre in lieu of taxes) they should be careful of being accused of becoming a for profit organization. Charging a user fee it seems to me starts to make them look like an organization with a for profit agenda. However we all know that's not true.
They should also note the in lieu of tax payment has not increased since 1995 when it was raised from $.60/acre. Townships and schools have more expenses than in 1995. I will bet that consideration for rocking the boat in this regard was considered.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/18 10:36:06
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I very rarely hunted Pheasants, so I definitely will not pay $25.
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2017/01/18 10:36:40
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Treesparrow very good point. However, after seeing what the PGC has done (and is about to do) I find it reasonably safe to say; the PGC doesn't "consider" anything. $25.00 (if correct) for a pheasant stamp? Auto (semi) loading rifles for hunting? HR? AR? Not wanting to cause hard feelings so I ain't even gonna mention the age for "mentored" youth hunting. umm....ooops, now see watcha ya made me done. lol
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2017/01/18 11:44:14
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Since I have a great deal invested in bird dogs, I would pay the fee. $25 doesn't cover the cost of 1 preserve bought bird, so I would be ahead, monetarily at least, I kill two birds per season.
That being written, if the stocking numbers drop due to the number of hunters dropping, and the hunts are no longer fruitful, we will seriously look into leasing enough ground to get a non commercial preserve permit and buy birds wholesale.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/18 13:02:46
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I'd love to hunt pheasants again,but I will not step foot on a Game land. If they stocked them like the old days on Co-op farms I'd be in. Years ago I had 6-7 spots they dump them, several times a year. My setters and I had some real fun times back then. Daily limits where the norm. 30-40 birds a year. I haven't shot a Pheasant in 10 years and my last grouse was even longer.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/18 13:18:12
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I might buy a pheasant stamp if my son wanted to hunt 'em. Have had him out a couple times for them, and he really enjoyed it even though he didn't get a shot. If he had to buy a stamp too (Haven't seen if it would be for jr. hunters as well, though I'm guessing probably not) we wouldn't be hunting pheasants.
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2017/01/18 14:39:35
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PGC not concerned with losing Pheasant hunters. More so they will use that as a excuse. No longer "enough" hunters to warrant the program.
As for the $10.00 game land user fee. Was that for non-hunters only and if not was there ever such a fee imposed for non-hunters?
I do believe the idea was floated as $10 for LICENSED hunters to use SGL, and $25 for non-hunters to access SGL.
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Re: PGC future?
2017/01/18 15:13:29
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Gotcha PSUfish thanks.
Big Tuna the PGC still stocks pheasant in my little piece of Penn's Woods. I have seen them around my place on several occasions. Mostly hens but a few cocks now and then.
Neighbor told just this week he saw pheasant in the field along my property
Of course I reminded him not to forget his meds....... again.
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2017/01/18 16:08:33
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If I decide to shoot the club raised pheasants in my backyard with my air rifle from the kitchen window who gets the $25.?
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2017/01/19 08:14:46
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Walleye jigs
If I decide to shoot the club raised pheasants in my backyard with my air rifle from the kitchen window who gets the $25.?
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