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Re: Trump... 2020/09/12 07:20:35 (permalink)
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I can understand the concept of panic causing devastation.  If capable leadership that followed science and the lead of other countries that have experienced these epidemics, we wouldn't have needed to do any shutdowns and nowhere near the panic would have ensued.  So yes, if done correctly, minimal panic and minimal devastation (many countries to choose from as examples).    
 
After doing no prep and refusing to follow the lead of others that have experienced similar before (because he is the expert of everything), once it hit in NYC, then cases showed up throughout the entire US, there wasn't much other choice than to take a pause and see what the F was going on.  Even our NY metro resident conservative RG3G is still rather weary of traveling and public interaction per his posts, is he part of the deep state too???  That shish was for real in NYC and was for real in Miami, Texas, Arizona, Philadelphia, Detroit and other places.  It is rather random of how it happens and where, but if it gets a good community spread, it takes off, no matter city, suburb, or small town.  Instead of researching how those other countries that were able to contain things, they said, reopen, get back to normal... 
 
He had a free pass to figure something out, it is a new virus, the entire world was stumped and effected.  Sure, you messed up to begin with, but you paused to correct things, no?  No correction...  He banked on it going away in the summer and it didn't.  Then doubled down on it. 
 
The latest strategy seems to be, it isn't anything, until it hits your town.  Then don't tell others that it is real...
 
 
 
 




 
Pork, I know the political rhetoric makes it all sound like "it's Trumps fault"
it would be the same if Obo was prez ..it would all be "Obo's fault" rhetoric from the other side .
Just the way polyticz rolls
 
truth is, there wouldn't be a dimes worth of difference if dems were in charge.
 
fact is, you can't stop any pandemic from making it's rounds thru the industrialized world.
the mantra was "slow it down"  to prevent overwhelming the health care system.
That was before the first body hit the floor here.
 
I get that in the beginning ...we didn't know what we didn't know.
and there's still plenty we don't know...but we know a lot more now.
It's not the Great Plague ..at worst, it will be 0.05% of the genpop
and I'm here to tell you 5 years from now when all said and done and numbers counted, it will be less than that
 
I'm not making light of that..cause if you or loved ones are one of those 0.03% it's tragic indeed
 
 
However, what we've done is over the top panicked lunacy.
and no, it's not a left or right thing  ...a slight majority are  freaked the fk out by media panic porn.
some is politically motivated, but most is just how the media rolls..."if it bleeds, it leads" 
 
 
turn off the news, and look out your window.
How many are dying around you?
 
 
..L.T.A.
post edited by genieman77 - 2020/09/12 07:22:42
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/12 10:01:05 (permalink)
The initial response was to not overcome the health system, as we watched it do in Italy and many ICUs in NYC. That was part of the pause and figure something out phase. Which was the plan after the failure to contain. Why not look around and see what is working elsewhere, is what I am saying. It is just like fishing. If guys all around you are slamming fish, do you maybe either ask what they are using or watch them to see how they are doing things differently? Or do you just cast your 2 oz sinker and whole night crawler and plop your rear into a lawn chair and claim they just weren’t biting?

What it seems like you are saying to do, no restrictions just open until hospitals are stretched is exactly what they tried to do down South when they reopened. Every one of those states had huge spikes and have added the same or similar restrictions that we have now. They had a few weeks of good business, then ran out of employees well enough to work and people scared to go to those businesses. Eventually, those states figured out their plans needed to be adjusted. Should we just ignore what happened in those places?

Ignore what works in countries that have been controlling it, ignore failures In our own country?

Instead of going about things as nothing happened, those businesses in the states with more restrictions adjusted and figured things out. The states that didn’t ended up just months behind in that curve.

BTW, looking out my windows is much different than many of you. I can see roughly 400 homes when looking out all of my windows. There are at least 10 people that died from those houses (there is a carriage home community within sight). I know one guy in his early 50s no issues, son was a star on state championship football team that is lucky to be alive. Weeks in ICU on ventilator, both lungs filled with snot. It didn’t spread like crazy here, mostly due to those “over the top panicked lunacy” restrictions. It caught hold in very similar neighborhoods as mine all through this country that didn’t take caution. Most of my neighbors feel inconvenienced, but most know many people that have had the virus, a few that have had it bad and sure a few know those that didn’t make it. So, looking out my window, there is concern and inconvenience, but no panic. BTW, those 400 homes likely contribute twice to the overall economy than this entire board membership.
post edited by Porktown - 2020/09/12 10:04:38
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/12 10:23:05 (permalink)
Gee  I guess the rest of us deplorables don't contribute any thing to the economy rite pork.You have assumed that everyone on the boards is some dumb redneck living in a trailer some where.I can bet you a large majority of us have just as much education work just as hard and live in just as nice 400 home communities. A good portion of us are retired now but we worked for 35 to 50 years contributing to economy for you to assume otherwise is just plain dumb.
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/12 14:08:09 (permalink)
And here I've been saving up to buy a trailer.
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/12 20:54:53 (permalink)
I’m referring to all of the “you are looking for handout if your not for Trump horsechit”. Or somehow the inconvenience of the current situation “looking out the window” is nothing. I’d say of my immediate area it is easily 2:1, maybe 3:1 Old Dope to Bonespur ratio. Most of my area is small business owners, police, middle to upper management, dual income households, middle to upper middle class with a few much higher. And 100% standing by the comment. The suburbs not only will determine this election, but control most of the economy in this country. Most corporate HQ leaders, management, etc of cities reside in the adjacent suburbs. And yes, this virus is a concern to every one of those communities in this country “looking out their windows”. I think my fellow suburbanites would agree. Not trying to demean anyone, just stating facts.

BTW. Nice to know at least two of you read through all of my rambling.
post edited by Porktown - 2020/09/12 20:57:29
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/12 21:17:19 (permalink)
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The suburbs not only will determine this election, but control most of the economy in this country.



Yes, very true.

More specifically, the suburbs of maybe 3 or 4 swing states (Pennsylvania being one of them) will decide this election, just as they did in 2016.

Not so sure about controlling the economy though. Huge chunks of the economy are controlled in very urban areas of big major cities like NYC, LA, Chicago, San Francisco, Boston, etc... I’d have to do some research on whether the big players in those areas actually tend to live in the suburbs or the city proper.

But the suburbs of middle America will decide this election. That is truth.
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/12 21:36:21 (permalink)
Not really saying the CEOs or CFOs of those major corps. Those guys own houses in the cities, burbs, rural, remote islands and wherever they want. Talking mostly about those that actually run those companies (upper/middle management). Or the main players of smaller companies that don’t have $100M+ at their fingertips. Talking about those that worked hard to find success, not those born into it... Due a lot to urban flight, are definitely more in the burbs. There are about 30-40 neighborhoods like mine around Pittsburgh alone. Thousands in this country.
post edited by Porktown - 2020/09/12 21:38:28
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/12 22:44:52 (permalink)
zlooking out my windows is much different than many of you. I can see roughly 400 homes when looking out all of my windows. There are at least 10 people that died from those houses (there is a carriage home community within sight). I know one guy in his early 50s no issues, son was a star on state championship football team that is lucky to be alive. Weeks in ICU on ventilator, both lungs filled with snot.
 
you know TEN people in your community  of 400 homes that died of covid??
That's a sh1t ton, and way off the norm.
Maybe your local needs to look as what other communities are doing.
 
 figuring 3 people per household, that's ****ear 1 in a hundred dead
Think I'd move, cause there's some bad JuJu going on there....
 
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/13 10:27:42 (permalink)
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And here I've been saving up to buy a trailer.


Hey Jigs, get one with a motor and steering wheel..... ”ON THE ROAD AGAIN” ___🚌🚗____ 👋
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2020/09/13 10:31:00

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Re: Trump... 2020/09/13 19:22:55 (permalink)
https://www.alleghenycounty.us/Health-Department/resources/COVID-19/Covid-19.aspx
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/13 21:19:54 (permalink)
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https://www.alleghenycoun...COVID-19/Covid-19.aspx



 
if I'm reading right..
360 deaths in Allegheny county
county population 1.2million = 0.03% deaths related to  covid
 
1 in 3300
Your 'hood is 1 in 100 
 
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/13 22:18:52 (permalink)
Look at each municipality. As noted, the old people community is in sight of my house.

There have been over 50 deaths within a 5 mile radius of my house. I can’t see all of those houses from my windows. There have been 11 in the school district that I am in, with many more than 400 houses. So, within technical sight of my windows, mostly likely not all 10, although I can see some other districts houses from my house, living close to the borders. I really have no idea where they lived, but assume the old people communities are likely where many are. Most of us don’t just stay where we can look out of our windows, so imagine you aren’t talking technically what you can physically see from your windows.

When I go to the grocery store, Wallyworld, Target, Home Depot, I am with people from a good 5-10 mile radius. That is interaction with 50-100 death communities. Which is nothing compared to what it could be if it actually did take hold.

My point is that there are many communities just like mine that this virus took hold in and spread. You guys that live in areas where your closest neighbors are 1/4 mile away, obviously the risk of community spread are much less.

When it takes hold in communities like mine, it has hits the economy more than having minor restrictions do. No doubt, it is hitting industries that have larger gatherings. I have said countless times that is where our relief funding should go, not $1200 to everyone... When it takes hold in a community it hits all industries, not just those few.

Is it something that causes hysteria, no. Do I think we should just go about things like it was nothing, heck no. Our economy would collapse.

BTW - I could give a flying F if most restrictions were completely lifted in areas with little or no cases. I’d say all restrictions, but still don’t think a wise idea to have 70,000 in a stadium/arena. Mostly since those people are usually from all over and could change those little virus areas to high virus areas quickly.
post edited by Porktown - 2020/09/13 23:01:45
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/14 17:16:15 (permalink)
No reasonable person is going to argue that a cop should not be permitted to use their weapon if somebody is charging at them with a knife. If somebody is arguing that the cop was not justified in a situation like that, they do not represent the views of somebody like joe Biden, or most democratic voters, or the vast majority of BLM activists.
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/15 10:32:00 (permalink)
Why is is it that the Democrat party always seems to be capable of controlling their base, as opposed to the other way around. Truly sheepeolpe.
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Re: Trump... 2020/09/15 11:07:04 (permalink)
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No reasonable person is going to argue that a cop should not be permitted to use their weapon if somebody is charging at them with a knife. If somebody is arguing that the cop was not justified in a situation like that, they do not represent the views of somebody like joe Biden, or most democratic voters, or the vast majority of BLM activists.



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