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2014/09/10 16:32:18 (permalink)

Tackle

Hello all. What are the best brands of hooks to use up there for the kings and what size? I asked a guy who was catching a lot last year and i was shocked at how small the were. Also, have you ever heard of a website overstockbait.com? If so, any luck?
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    Clint S
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/10 16:45:35 (permalink)
    Size of hooks depends on what you are putting on them. What are you going to be using for bait. I usually use #4s for comets or streamers , #6 for estaz eggs and  8,10,12's for eggs, nymphs and stone flies.

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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/10 16:48:41 (permalink)
    Thx. I would say mainly eggs, and egg sacks. What brands are good? People always talk about cheap hooks that will bend. I would prefer to avoid that if i can.
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/10 17:19:12 (permalink)
    Mustad hooks are very good for the money,I use them with no problems.
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/10 18:03:38 (permalink)
    Yes I use Mustad mostly. 37132 for alot of stuff $10 for 100 is a good 2x strong egg hook. I even use it for a few nymphs even though it technically is not a nymph hook. The other Mustad are the signature series co68 for eggs and nymphs. 3906b for nymphs and stones. They are 6.99$ for 50.   Daiichi also makes good hooks they are $5 for 25.   Don't tell anyone, but I also buy those cheap ''all purpose'' hooks at Wally world to make estaz eggs with especially when I am taking my nephew as he loses a ton of flies. NEVER  had one bend or break even on kings they are 20  for $1.50 I think.

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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/10 19:31:44 (permalink)
    Your secret is safe with me.....and the rest of this forum.
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/10 20:04:06 (permalink)
    I use Mustad, Daiichi and Tiemco on my flies.  Mustad being the most economical followed by Daiichi then Tiemco.  
    I have had hooks bend and on occasion break but too few to not use that brand hook.
     
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/11 07:29:11 (permalink)
    i use the gamagatzu size 4 live bait circle hooks for kings...very sharp and never had one bend

    wishin i was fishin
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/11 08:07:01 (permalink)
    Mustad and Blackbirds 4s and 6s.  Stay away from owner's egg hook, I used them once and broke them on fish multiple times.  Mind you I don't know if they were 2x.
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/11 17:10:29 (permalink)
    I stick with the mustads, 4 or 6 to 10 for eggs flies, 6 to 10 for wets and nymphs.  I like Gami Octopus hooks, they are dangerously sharp, but I find that the rocky salmon river eats up the points.
     
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/11 18:26:43 (permalink)
    Well I was just up and bought some materials for a new fly I am thinking of. Prices raised about a dollar on the 50 packs of mustards at 7.99$ for 50

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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/11 20:28:07 (permalink)
    Thats pretty good. Everything i see online is for a 20 pack for a dollar or two less.
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/11 20:56:16 (permalink)
    I think our sponsor here has the mustads co68 for $3.45 for 25 and the 3906b for $5.25  for 50.  Both good prices and with a $30 order free shipping. The 37132 is a little harder to find online. It is very similar to the 68 hook and I find myself using it alot.

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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/11 21:58:31 (permalink)
    Does a size 12 fly, for example, mean its always made with a 12 hook?
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/11 22:10:57 (permalink)
    Yep.
     

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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/12 05:20:00 (permalink)
    There  was a day I stole the last royal coachman from lucky's box.
    It was let's say THR FREAKING HOT FLY on a day that people told us we hooked at least 100 steelbows while others around had hoked a handful.
    It was tied on a size 2 hook low water style making it look like about a size 6.
    Instant hookup and when I landed it the hook circle the whole jawbone.
    Best hook hold I have ever scene.
    I still feel bad for taking it from his box.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/12 05:53:16 (permalink)
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    Does a size 12 fly, for example, mean its always made with a 12 hook?

    What does vary is the hook strength via wire size- 2x is stronger than 1x and what I use for salmon along with 3x strong nymph hooks, shank length- 1x long  is generally an egg hook or can be used for one- 4x are long shanks for streamer type flies.
    You can land a salmon with lighter wire hooks, but you have to hope the hook is buried completely to the bend, otherwise they tend to straighten. Longer shanks tend to get more torqued- that's why the heavy salmon hooks for your classic streamers.
    Oh yeah, Mustads for me, or Orvis hooks as I live near the Flagship store. Their hooks are  a little more, but chemically sharpened and of very good quality- they re-label Daiichis .  I use Gamagatsu Octopus hooks on articulated and tube flies.  - generally 4's.  Like Lucky said, they are dangerously sharp- swinging flies I generally don't hit the bottom, so don't have to worry about the somewhat fragile points. Mustads are the most durable points, I've found.
     
     
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/12 07:52:29 (permalink)
    Since a tackle post is up what advice can you guys give me on spinning tackle to use up there?
    I don't fly fish and will be making a trip there in a few weeks. I do steelhead in PA so I do have that set up.
    What I looking for is lb. test, reel capacity do I need large for the salmon, leader, bait and or lures?
    Thanks in advance.
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/12 08:11:56 (permalink)
    8-15 #test will get the job done.
    Heavier lands more but hooks less fairly.
    Lighter gets more true takers but is tougher to land them, quicker is better unless you intend to keep the fish.
    Most will use a rod 9 foot or more capable of handling line in that range.
    If the reel has a decent drag and can hold 100 yard of your line of choice it will do.
    If the fish is anywhere near that far away its time to point your tip at it and snap it off or turn it around.
     
    Eggs, glo bugs, beads, flies all will work.
     
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/12 08:29:26 (permalink)
    Always felt that 14 lb test was fine for Kings-especially in fast waters and especially for anyone who is 'new' to Kings- they are brutes when they want to be. That's what I keep on my spin stuff for guests.
     For Steel later on with the noodle one can go much lighter- and expect breakoffs for the late King or two.
     Hey--- one thing guys never mention when talking line size is how willing or able you are to run up, down and across the river chasing a King. The older one gets is often the key ingredient to that. Light line often means a marathon of tripping over rocks and saying 'oh well- been over the waders before ' when getting to deep pockets trying to keep one on- lol.
     Good luck- your in for  treat.
    post edited by r3g3 - 2014/09/12 08:45:46
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/12 09:28:42 (permalink)
    Charlie thanks for the info on the strength and length of hooks. When I first started tying flies I used some 1x strong hooks from Bass Pro for the first fly swap, not the best quality. Ask HT what happened when he hooked a bruiser on one.  Learned my lesson after I lost a few.  I have also found that some sizes very a bit  between brands and even with the same brand, but varying styles. With the Mustads I use the 37132 hooks seem about a size off from the C68's (12's seem like 10's)
     
    Spinning tackle I don't use alot, but when I do it is a Shimano Sedona reel and an 11 foot noodle rod from bass pro. I use Trilene XT in 10# test. I then sometimes  up to a 15# leader for salmon. 6# to 10# leader for steel. I use Seaguar red for my leaders, fly and spin and Drennan for my tippet.

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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/12 17:55:15 (permalink)
    It is always a good idea to run a heavier mainline and then something 4lbs or so lighter for the terminal tackle. Not only do you have to re-spool less, you don't leave the river full of 75foot long danglers to catch everyone else's drift.
     
    Just sayin....
     
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/12 19:59:04 (permalink)
    I am not willing to run up and down the stream chasing kings.  Therefore, I use 20lb Orvis leaders with 16lb fluorocarbon tippet.  These fish are not leader shy.  I use giant 1/0 red octopus hooks.  I have not had a problem with snagging ....I believe it is because the tips are turned inward.
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/12 23:00:20 (permalink)
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      I have not had a problem with snagging ....




    HEE hee hee
     
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/13 00:54:39 (permalink)
    Dam, I'm old.  I just keep hearing the line from Cheech and Chong's Big Bamboo album- "He stuck  it in his eye, man......"
    1 am, grab the gear and go. No 1/0's, though.
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/13 08:44:40 (permalink)
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     Therefore, I use 20lb Orvis leaders with 16lb fluorocarbon tippet.  These fish are not leader shy. 

    That is until all the a hole's up on the DSR and then town  start ripping away at them. By the time they get past the 81 bridge they (now I am not making lite of this, it is real, my dad has, it and it's no joke) their own type of PTSD. post traumatic snagging disorder.

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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/13 10:44:48 (permalink)
    Love it during circus time when they see a fly coming and spook off right outa the hole.
     Ya can see it clearly as so many are all colored up with flies and other garbage stuck all over from head to tail--look like X-mass decorations.
    Yep -PTSD
    Kinda why pounding the river so early has its own rewards- fish or not. At least ya have a chance at unmolested fishes.
    post edited by r3g3 - 2014/09/13 10:46:11
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/13 11:24:12 (permalink)
    For the number of times I have stuck myself with octopus hooks while tying double hook rigs for trolling minnows or tying up for brook trout, I am sure they will stick just abut anywhere you choose to stick them.  I can think of a perfect place for you to stick the 1/0 estatz ripper flies you bring!
     
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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/13 12:27:04 (permalink)
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    For the number of times I have stuck myself with octopus hooks while tying double hook rigs for trolling minnows or tying up for brook trout, I am sure they will stick just abut anywhere you choose to stick them.  I can think of a perfect place for you to stick the 1/0 estatz ripper flies you bring!
     
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    Me approve of this statement.
    Sorry for lack of involvement lately, super busy but everything the "fishers" have posted are right on.
    Good to hear a few folks have been out and enjoying their time on the water, river , etc..
    Someday I may get that time as well but it's a long way to the light at the end of the tunnel right now..

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    Re: Tackle 2014/09/13 14:04:07 (permalink)
    Heyy Charlie- You picked the best time so far this season for early unmolested fishes- hope ya found a few- weather permitting.
    Am sure the reports of a few starting will get the circus train started- by the time I get up again will be stumbling over people instead of cobble.
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