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2013/12/05 04:47:17 (permalink)

Why would you need # 1/0 hooks,weather, hijacks and all other tangents

Clarist could I get some clarification.
Why so big for salmon but 6s and 8s for chrome.
I go to #2 7x long streamer hooks for kings when tying some big  streamers but since they are 4 or more inches long streamers I don't see why larger is needed.
Could you post a pic or two of the salmon flies you are tying on those hooks?
 
 
post edited by twobob - 2014/01/09 14:23:47
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/05 11:31:37 (permalink)
He is a troll .....just looking to stir up a response, just like he's doing on the erie board section.
 
Like a hemorrhoid, ignore it and it will go away.

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/05 16:59:32 (permalink)
Maybe so bear.
I have thought that myself but I figure give him a chance to explain.
If he can I'm more than willing to listen and learn.
If not he's shown to be a worthless troll.
The rope I have given him was free but it has a noose at one end.
 
Clarist please post up one of your flies on a 1/0 hook
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/05 18:14:05 (permalink)
He was accused by several people  of snagging a brown in the eye that he posted from Oak Orchard.  Whether he did or not, I fell off my chair laughing as it reminded me of the old Cheech and Chong bit- " oh man, eee stuck it in iz eye.....
As I remember he said he wrapped them in estaz. I'd like to see how it looks on a 1/0. 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/05 18:35:49 (permalink)
Me too.
Perhaps we will all end up sitting at the feet of clarist taking in the wisdom he deems us worthy of
 
Or we can all know for sure he is a troll and cold shoulder him right on out of here.
post edited by twobob - 2013/12/06 02:39:42
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/05 21:14:37 (permalink)
 Attachments are not available: Download requirements not met Tasty looking isn't it ?  1/0 Gamakatsu Octopus.....Do you need a 1/0?  Of course not but this was the hook that worked best for me this year on the SR.

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/05 21:38:32 (permalink)
Easy to see. Heavy enough to sink. All in all, an excellent set up for snagging. No wonder you like fishing in NY so much!
 
 
 

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/05 21:40:36 (permalink)
Now take another picture of it beside a penny. Looks to me like that thing is tied on a #4 or #6. Either that or the estaz you are using is heavier than any I've ever seen.
 

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/05 21:52:13 (permalink)
atleast it resembles a fly. Most guys fishing Salmon River in public areas use a 1/0 octopus hook with just pieces of kitchen sponge on it. cut the guy some slack at least he dresses up his snagging hooks.

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/06 02:47:46 (permalink)
 
 
Photo next to a quarter please.
I have never seen estaz that will cover a size 1/0 hook and will look like that.
If that is a 1/0 hook with a hook gap of about 1/2 inch the individual tinsel shafts appear to be  that long also
But then I have little experience with estaz.
Exactly what is that estaz,brand name and size, and where did you purchase it so that I may  get some of my own to check out?
 
 
 
post edited by twobob - 2013/12/06 05:05:58
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/06 07:39:42 (permalink)
Can't you get that stuff for wrapping around your Christmas tree?
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/06 08:56:30 (permalink)
Strait flOss'IN just say'IN....
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/06 10:29:07 (permalink)
Flossing is too polite.......SNAGGING is the right word for it!
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/06 10:50:01 (permalink)
They'd make great hat and tree  ornaments for the holidays!! I wrapped a 1/0 with the biggest estaz I had .  I find it effective for eggs (8 is the biggest for me) , nymph thoraxes, and ESL's. It took 15 " of material to cover the hook as shown. Seems kind of wasteful, unless you have solder wire wrapped underneath. Then it's particularly effective. Yeah....  I have lots of 1/0's,   as I use to trade a guide flies for striper boat trips.  I bet my favorite 1/0 Deceiver which is chartreuse over yellow over white with a red throat would work well swung for salmon, but it has very little chance of not getting seen and refused or avoided.
Well at least this thread gave me an idea for next fall. And an ornament craft project.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/06 12:05:33 (permalink)
I thought gaff hooks were illegal?
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/06 15:56:28 (permalink)
I bought some on Ebay then decided to tie my own....Mine don't look this nice.  The estaz is Rumf brand estaz in opalescent black....I can tie 30 flies per package which maybe costs $2.50 a package.....The hooks have a 3/8 gap and the package said 1/0....I saw guys fishing giant hooks with pieces of sponge on them in the ball field hole a year ago...They said they wouldn't even use the sponge except that the law requires them to use something...Wow, talk about admitting to snagging!  Got to talking to them, they said they were staying at Dawn's place in town...Never stayed there.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/06 17:25:38 (permalink)
So then am I right?
That pic you posted wasn't your fly?
 
I still am very interested in seeing YOUR fly next to a quarter.
 
PS  I would rather be with an admitted snagger than someone who thinks they are fooling people into believing they are fishermen.
At least they are honest if not honorable.
 
Again I will say that I use a lot of bigger hooks (#2) because I believe I accidentally foul hook fewer fish with them since they aren't as needle sharp as tiny hooks and if I don't set the hook more often than not I can shake the fish off.
Also almost all of the flies I fish for kings are highly visiable for that same reason.
The one in the pic you posted doesn't not seem to be designed for the same purpose.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 10:17:39 (permalink)
A quick tie of one of my bigger flies.
7x #2 cut shank with a #2 trailer hook.
Not about to sneak up and grab one unless its blind.
 
Pretty easy to do and I'm sure you have a leftover from the salmon season and won't even have to tie one for the pic.

 
I'll see if I can't get a pic of it wet in a little while I hope.
post edited by twobob - 2013/12/07 10:19:29
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 10:34:39 (permalink)
I might  lose maybe 10 flies a day in shark season, but that's a lot. On the other hand, if you're using tons of weight and hooking fish in the azz where they can't be controlled, lots and lots of flies will be wasted.   I pinch the barb down slightly , leaving the bump, but not the barb. They'll stay in a little, but shake off easier on the unintentional fouls. It does happen with the number of fish in the river. In the end, (pun intended) I think Chartist's fly could reference back to Bear's post, and be called the Preparation H fly. 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 14:25:05 (permalink)
I caught several kings in altmar using this fly.  When one of them was landed, I looked for the fly and couldn't find it.  That's because it was 6 inches down his throat and I couldn't reach it with my pliers so I had to cut the line and release him. 
 
I caught 8 in 45 minutes and called it a day as it was 4pm and it was miller time. 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 15:04:28 (permalink)
When foul hooking becomes a subtle nuisance... my salmon season is over... I know they fall in to different stages once holding and resting up river but not my cup of tea.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 15:43:31 (permalink)
  Time to throw the flag up you caught 8 in 45 minutes? so that is a average of 5 minutes to hook up and land a fish and you did it 8 times in a row?
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 15:51:07 (permalink)
Chartist,the more you say the dumber you sound.,,,,8 in 45 minutes LMO!
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 16:16:11 (permalink)
I had to show my wife that one, she's still laughing.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 16:25:52 (permalink)
chartist
I caught several kings in altmar using this fly.  When one of them was landed, I looked for the fly and couldn't find it.  That's because it was 6 inches down his throat and I couldn't reach it with my pliers so I had to cut the line and release him. 
 
I caught 8 in 45 minutes and called it a day as it was 4pm and it was miller time. 




What fly exactly are you speaking about?
I think we all know that black estaz fly you posted was certainly not i=on a 1/0 hook.
I still want to see this 1/0 gammy octopus hook fly you use.
 
How long and what test tippet do you run with your 1/0 fly?
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 17:00:48 (permalink)
Aha! This duud was long ago exposed as a fraud and a troll on the PA boards, now you are all seeing it too.

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 17:45:45 (permalink)
Hard to take him seriously. His avatar until recently was a cookie cutter steel he's hugging like a teddy bear.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 18:45:04 (permalink)
yes, please disregard all that I said and posted, it was the beer talking....See you all next year on the SR....I am thinking of a float trip after Xmas but doubt we'll all cross lines.
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 18:46:54 (permalink)
You know that while let's say I had my doubts about clarist for a long time, this thread was to give him a chance to more fully explain himself not to bash.
I admit he is not making it easy not to bash but I'll wait a few more hours before making a final judgement.
I think it will be best when or if we all agree on troll that simply having a gentleman's agreement to ignore his posts might be the best solution.
Just let him die on the vine.
Make his posts like screaming in a vacuum.
 
When a troll finds he can't get a rise they generally don't hang around for long.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 18:48:29 (permalink)
His last post was made while I was writing mine.
I think it answers the question for me.
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