Pondering Doe Tags II

Now I am doubly confused.
 
I wanted to add to the Pondering Doe Tags thread and it is locked for some reason.  I don't know why.
 
Second, and the reason I was going to add to the thread, was that I ended up getting a 4A bonus tag after all.  As originally stated, I had the application in the mail in time for it to arrive at the courthouse in the first delivery on that Monday morning.  I checked the PALS system everyday until that Thursday and there was nothing under my account number.  On that Thursday, 4A was shown as sold out.
 
I check back the following Monday, out of habit, and the screen was the same -- no awarded tag.  After that I didn't check back, thinking that there was no need -- the WMU was sold out and my account showed no tag awarded a week after the applications were due and 5 calendar days after the unit was listed as sold out.
 
This week, almost 20 days after sending the application in, I was reconciling my check book and realized that I had not gotten my application and check back, which would need voided to make my checking account balance.
 
So just for giggles, I checked the PALS system and it showed that I was awarded the tag.
 
What?
 
I was under the impression that the PALS was a real time system, meaning that as an application was processed, it put up the awarded message on your account and also subtracted the tag from the total left in the WMU.  Apparently that isn't so and there can be a considerable, like more than a week, lag.  If it had been, I would have had an awarded message on my account before the unit was listed as sold out.
 
I am confused.
 
Satisfied that I got the tag, but confused nonetheless.

ORIGINAL: DarDys

I was under the impression that the PALS was a real time system, meaning that as an application was processed, it put up the awarded message on your account and also subtracted the tag from the total left in the WMU. 

 
That is the case.  Unfortunately, there were some technical problems when the antlerless tags started to be issued.  Supposedly those issues have been resolved. 
 
 

Internally the allocation system may work just fine, but the status checking feature has a couple day lag for sure.

My buddy, his wife, and I ended up snagging a few of the last 750 3A second round of unsold tags last Monday.  Figured we just saved a small herd deer for all of $21.  Dropped the apps off at the courthouse first thing in the morning.

I figure the tags will get sold no matter what, but at least this way I know they won't be used to harvest a doe.  Hope there are a lot of others in 3A thinking the same thing.  I've heard of some local businesses giving discounts for turning in unused doe tags.  What a great idea.

I figure the tags will get sold no matter what, but at least this way I know they won't be used to harvest a doe. Hope there are a lot of others in 3A thinking the same thing. I've heard of some local businesses giving discounts for turning in unused doe tags. What a great idea.

Unless the harvest report cards get sent in, it's a rather dumb idea for what you are trying to accomplish(save does).
Think about it.

Ironhed

ORIGINAL: Noplacelikehome

Gotta love it! Guys complain when they DON'T get a doe tag. And complain when THEY DO!        Just yanking your chain Dardys.

 
Actually I am complaining.  Not about getting or not getting a license, but about the company that we pay, 70 cents currently for every license or tag that we buy, which adds up to millions of dollars, not providing the real time reporting that they are supposed to provided.  Perhaps they should refund the PGC (because they will never eefund us, the payers) for having technical issues.

ORIGINAL: DarDys

ORIGINAL: Noplacelikehome

Gotta love it! Guys complain when they DON'T get a doe tag. And complain when THEY DO!        Just yanking your chain Dardys.

Actually I am complaining.  Not about getting or not getting a license, but about the company that we pay, 70 cents currently for every license or tag that we buy, which adds up to millions of dollars, not providing the real time reporting that they are supposed to provided.  Perhaps they should refund the PGC (because they will never eefund us, the payers) for having technical issues.

Welcome to the world of outsourced information systems !

ORIGINAL: SilverKype

ORIGINAL: DarDys

ORIGINAL: Noplacelikehome

Gotta love it! Guys complain when they DON'T get a doe tag. And complain when THEY DO!        Just yanking your chain Dardys.

Actually I am complaining.  Not about getting or not getting a license, but about the company that we pay, 70 cents currently for every license or tag that we buy, which adds up to millions of dollars, not providing the real time reporting that they are supposed to provided.  Perhaps they should refund the PGC (because they will never eefund us, the payers) for having technical issues.

Welcome to the world of outsourced information systems !

 
Don't get me started on that.  I just spent the better part of an hour with tech services from you know who to get something to work that worked, oh two weeks ago.  LOL.

ORIGINAL: DarDys

ORIGINAL: SilverKype

ORIGINAL: DarDys

ORIGINAL: Noplacelikehome

Gotta love it! Guys complain when they DON'T get a doe tag. And complain when THEY DO!        Just yanking your chain Dardys.

Actually I am complaining.  Not about getting or not getting a license, but about the company that we pay, 70 cents currently for every license or tag that we buy, which adds up to millions of dollars, not providing the real time reporting that they are supposed to provided.  Perhaps they should refund the PGC (because they will never eefund us, the payers) for having technical issues.

Welcome to the world of outsourced information systems !

Don't get me started on that.  I just spent the better part of an hour with tech services from you know who to get something to work that worked, oh two weeks ago.  LOL.

 
It's good when stuff breaks.   I like to think of it as job security.  Heck, I might break something on purpose tomorrow. 

3 times as many bucks were killed any year in the past decade as were killed during any year in the 70's.
5-7 times as many does were killed for any year in the past decade as were killed during any year in the 70's.

The PGC harvest data prior to 1986 was the actual number of report cards that were received. Beginning in 1986 the PGC adjusted the reported kill based on the reporting rate. The buck harvests since 2007 are all below the buck harvests in the 70's.

Beat me to it deerfly, you musta been in middle of posting when i started.

Its not "flawed" data. It was just stated in a different format. For years they just chose to give the raw data from the actual number of reported harvests... Nothing wrong with that, but its not meant or possible to be compared at face value to current totals.

They realize, as anyone should, that there are a percentage of hunters who do not report harvests.

They assess the percentage of noncompliance by checking meat processors, and roadside checks. The percentage of deer not reported among those checked is then applied to the statewide harvest. Last few years according to pgc it has run around 60% who did NOT report the deer they harvested.

The data they gave prior to 1986 isnt flawed. It just didnt have the percentage of noncompliance added to it like the post 1986 data does.

The actual reported harvest is still given occaissionally. Last year i believe on the annual reports the number of report cards reported by hunters was in the 40 some thousand range. Compare that to the pre-1986 reported harvests (which were the only ones given prior to 1986).

-Usually when there is a table containing the data from years prior to 1986, to after, there is an asterisk and notation at the bottom because of this.

ORIGINAL: deerfly

 The buck harvests since 2007 are all below the buck harvests in the 70's.

 
I didn't read the entire new DMP yet.  Curious if there any any success rates for antlered and or antlerless deer now compared to the past?

Yeah, i noticed that too deerfly. Reason is we killed nearly twice as many bucks as we are now, and we didnt have double the hunters to do it. Dont have to be a math wizard to figure out those two hunter success rates would be separated by quite a few numerals. lol

No matter how the PGC tries to spin it these are the only revelant numbers concerning our deer herd.

2000 buck kill--203,221-------2008 buck kill--122,410-----difference a reduction of 40%

2001 buck kill--203,247-------2009 buck kill--108,330-----difference a reduction of 47%

Tell me again what a wonderful thing they are doing.

Here is the data on license sales , the number of deer hunters and the number of archery hunters from the DMP.


Table 8. General hunting license sales, deer hunters, archery and muzzleloader stamps
sold, and days spent deer hunting in Pennsylvania, 1986 to 2008.
Year
General
Hunting
License Sold
Total Deer
Hunters1
Archery
Stamps Sold
Muzzleloader
Stamps Sold
Total Deer
Hunter Days1
1986 1,166,771 1,019,644 246,099 79,182 Not available
1987 1,171,507 1,012,430 254,770 78,862 Not available
1988 1,164,420 1,006,994 264,796 92,619 Not available
1989 1,156,891 1,024,560 272,364 97,817 Not available
1990 1,160,780 1,013,974 285,352 105,620 7,561,815
1991 1,160,202 1,007,178 296,244 106,372 7,707,280
1992 1,156,736 1,008,725 309,012 103,309 7,615,521
1993 1,130,090 973,662 317,344 77,494 7,846,783
1994 1,116,832 983,703 322,378 76,071 8,843,314
1995 1,087,804 959,880 322,065 79,556 8,081,752
1996 1,088,733 940,127 328,193 83,996 8,511,025
1997 1,063,366 909,489 321,556 83,208 7,955,254
1998 1,069,627 899,965 328,451 90,421 8,046,895
1999 1,033,315 882,580 276,622 106,090 7,991,856
2000 1,038,846 913,646 284,223 137,737 8,190,304
2001 1,047,820 858,622 285,987 147,413 7,287,583
2002 1,017,154 793,502 283,055 166,076 6,875,037
2003 1,018,248 790,595 285,121 188,388 6,401,485
2004 1,013,866 No survey 284,493 200,193 No survey
2005 964,158 739,532 269,752 200,903 6,437,077
2006 945,892 762,936 268,751 198,291 6,858,281
2007
2008
924,448
926,892
715,553
708,069
266,841
271,023
196,054
195,809
6,450,948
6,465,879
1
– Data from annual Game Take survey of a 2% random sample of Pennsylvania hunting
license buyers

As usual the data didn't copy and paste in it's original format, but I think Table 8 is on page 36 of the DMP.