There ya go.. those are three that are usually as anti-PGC as you can get..

Although I have noticed Jeff has changed ALOT since his day at Pa. Sportsman..
and IMHO is doing whatever it takes to keep his job at PON since the owners are not from Pa and publish about 5 different states Outdoor News papers......

Heck they (Outdoor News)even shut down the orginal message board I was helping to build, because the owners did not like the fact info was showing up on the board before the paper got printed... its' about sales at PON... so much of what is printed caters more to the complainers than the supporters on issues ...

"so much of what is printed caters more to the complainers than the supporters on issues ... "

Of course the fact those who dont support the deer plan as is probably outnumber the supporters 10 to 1 has nothing to do with it. lol.

Shoener article

Just one of many of his deer plan nonsupport articles for last few years. Quite a few the last several months.
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Deer hunting this past season was a big disappoint for many.

Personally, it wasn't because I didn't kill a deer, it was the fact that I covered so much ground and a saw so few. Once the snow came, there weren't even many tracks to be found.

I've expressed my displeasure with the season before, and I've listened to complaints by many.

One local hunter, Ed Dice, took the time jot down his views.

Here is what Ed had to say: "The main topic is deer hunting and the management of it. The article a couple weeks ago about doe season and buck season as it is was right about counting points.

"I'm 66 years old and hunt both West Virginia and Pennsylvania. I haven't killed a deer in Pennsylvania since they started the new regulation of counting points. Each of the five years I have seen deer with racks above the ears, but couldn't get them to so I could count.

"I have killed many a deer before this when all you had to do was make sure they were 3 inches. I think a lot of hunters were happy with the rule by killing a spike, 4-point, 6-point or 8-point. There were still some big bucks killed each year 12, 14 and 16-pointers. Someone always found a big one.

"The point I'm getting to is that we should go back to the old way of buck season and three days of doe, or even one Saturday of doe so the ones working could get out.

"I also think we are killing off our sport by killing does for two weeks. We are playing right into the hands of the Forestry Department, the insurance companies and the Game Commission.


"I think if it continues the way it is, we will look back (not far away) and see how we have ruined the heritage of deer hunting in Pennsylvania.

"What I would like you to do is a survey to see how many hunters are dissatisfied with the way it is and want to go back to the way it was.

"When you talk to hunters who hunt West Virginia and Maryland, they will tell you how much they like the seasons. Talk to a Pennsylvania hunter and what you his is mostly disgust with the Game Commission.

"The way it is, a lot of older hunters are quitting hunting period."

Since Ed mentioned a survey, I'm going to ask hunters to send in their comments on the past deer season.

I'm asking that you keep your comments to a few sentences and in a tone that can be published.

As with any letter to the editor, we ask that you include your name and phone number, so we can verify that the letter came from you.

See Jim Slinsky's column on the left side of the page for more comments Pennsylvania deer management.

Send your comments to Rod Schoener, Herald-Standard, P.O. Box 848 Uniontown, Pa. 15401. You can also email me at rschoener@heraldstandard.com

Rod Schoener is the Herald-Standard Outdoor editor.

I suppose you missed the first few statements of the article??? RODS WORDS:

""Deer hunting this past season was a big disappoint for many.

Personally, it wasn't because I didn't kill a deer, it was the fact that I covered so much ground and a saw so few. Once the snow came, there weren't even many tracks to be found.

I've expressed my displeasure with the season before, and I've listened to complaints by many. ""

Gee, I wonder how he feels? Does my high lighting help you at all Doc? If i didnt read his column every week, and reading the sentiment with fair regularity, I certainly wouldnt have any idea bey reading the above! lmao.

Youre a funny guy Doc.

statement from another shoener article:

"For the 2008-09 deer seasons, the Board approved a change in the firearms deer season in WMUs 2D, 2G, 3C, and 4B. The change made antlered deer legal for the first five days of the two-week firearms deer season, followed by seven days of antlered and antlerless deer hunting. Previously, these four WMUs had a two-week concurrent firearms season for antlered and antlerless deer season. In passing this change in seasons, the Board directed staff to develop a four-year study for these WMUs. The study will seek to answer several questions, including: will hunters see more deer; and will the shorter antlerless season allow deer population objectives to be met? By time the study is completed, deer may be an endangered species in Pennsylvania."

lmao. Now theres the words of a true proponent of the Alt master plan!

ORIGINAL: wayne c

By time the study is completed, deer may be an endangered species in Pennsylvania."

lmao. Now theres the words of a true proponent of the Alt master plan!

Does anything else need to be said when you start promoting such ?

Kype, you can try and discredit the guy all you like, i couldnt care less. My point...ONLY point was that he was a writer and also a deer plan nonsupporter. Deerfly asked about them. So i replied. Wouldve ended right there, had Doc basically not tried to deny the obvious and require more proof by acting as if he couldnt tell the guys opinion.

As for Slinsky, he writes articles occassionally for alot of papers as i understand it. Are all the outdoor writers across that state who also appear in the same paper as Slinsky at one time or another "bad"? lmao. Ok whatever. But for your info, He has no "regular" column in the paper mentioned, but did have one that day and perhaps once every few months or so. They usually dont even appear in the outdoors section. Often its in the editorial.

Dont know why you "conservationists" are flippin your wigs. Im not using this guy as "backing" of my position. Pgc has made it easy and their data has already done that for me....Dont need any writer, good or bad thanks.[:D]

Dr. Youre getting as bad as kype insulting when proven wrong. I like the lies tossed in for good measure as well. You know i wasnt promoting anyone. You forced me into posting his works by denying the obvious from the first. I also dont"follow" this guy any more than i do any other writers. I read any and all outdoor related materials i can get my hands on. He happens to write for a newspaper. Nothing more nothing less. I dont agree with everything he says, though alot of what he says is right on. Or at least more accurate than the damage control that comes out of Elmerton Ave. lol

For the record I also regularly read articles from Moyer, Nale, Frye, and others who are notorious pgc supporters and are often said to have their heads buried up pgcs wazoo! lol. Does that make me an enviro extremist?.

ORIGINAL: wayne c

Dr. Youre getting as bad as kype insulting when proven wrong.

Nothing to do with being proven right or wrong... fact is, your opinions aren't facts and hold as much value as my opinions.

I'd say deerfly has some factual info... you're just an emotional mess.

"fact is, your opinions aren't facts and hold as much value as my opinions."

I agree to a point. Though my opinions may be a bit more "educated" to the topic at hand, they are still opinions. However not everything discussed is always "opinion based".

"I'd say deerfly has some factual info... you're just an emotional mess."

Lmao. Now that right there is funny. Now just where have i seen that occur before?lol. You need to get your own material. Although i wasnt joking, i was legitimately pointing out your meltdowns on the other thread. I'll agree about deerfly. Hes very educated, as am i, on these topics. But of course im sure despite the little petty insults... you knew that.

ORIGINAL: wayne c

"fact is, your opinions aren't facts and hold as much value as my opinions."

I agree to a point. Though my opinions may be a bit more "educated" to the topic at hand, they are still opinions. However not everything discussed is always "opinion based".

"I'd say deerfly has some factual info... you're just an emotional mess."

Lmao. Now that right there is funny. Now just where have i seen that occur before?lol. You need to get your own material. Although i wasnt joking, i was legitimately pointing out your meltdowns on the other thread. I'll agree about deerfly. Hes very educated, as am i, on these topics. But of course im sure despite the little petty insults... you knew that.

Yer educated alright. Educated in thinking opinions are factual.

Apparently they are better than your sense of humor.

My mommy could beat up your mommy ! (I'm making fun of you again, if you don't get it).

What is it that Shawn says what the definition of insanity is ?

"What is it that Shawn says what the definition of insanity is ?"

Im not sure, but 3 grown adults running a website and referring to themselves at "thedog" "thecrow" and "theskunk" might apply.

and yes that was "lightening up" lol

Btw, i need to lighten up? Whose the one thats been having temper tantrums? hasnt been me! lmao.