2F = 34 deer

That's where there are still quite a few around here also, private, posted ground.

I saw four in a field off of route 66 up there today too. Which means, between doc and myself, we saw EVERY living deer in 2F!

deerfly..

gheezz..did you not notice the smiley face... ?????

it was a joke !!!!!!

On the way home from fishing just now I spotted the same 25 in Travis's field plus 6 across the road in another field and as I pulled out after counting deer.. 6 more ran across the road.. and there are 6 in my pasture field right now... so that's 43 deer I saw tonite within two miles of each other..

so yes there are more than 50 deer in 2F

your post have the same effect on me .. I just laugh and keep reading the thread for any new INFOMATION or FACTS that someone may post ..... at least you keep putting lmao after all your jokes......... so we know you are joking about everything ... I prefer the smiley faces... when I am joking..

ORIGINAL: deerfly

gheezz..did you not notice the smiley face... ?????

it was a joke !!!

As far as I am concerned everything you and Dans post is a joke so I have a hard time deciding when you are serious.

Well, if everything I post is a joke, why do you have a hard time deciding when I'm serious? Buy your logic, I'm joking all the time!

So, if you never take them seriously, then why do you have a hard time deciding when I'm serious? Why would you NEED to decide when I'm serious, if I'm joking all the time? You never really answered that. Do you watch comedians routines looking for the serious moments?

I'm joking of course....as always! Seriously!

Actually I laugh a lot at those that blindly support the PGC DMP and claim that the plan is based on science rather than on the increased profits for DCNR and the timber industry. I also think it is rather funny that any hunter would still support the PGC plan when after 10 years of herd reduction, regeneration is still decreasing in 16 out of the 21 WMUs surveyed.

Do you actually believe that the PGC would release a report that stated regeneration decreased in 16 out of 21 WMUs in 2010 ? If you want to see that info you have to compare the data the PGC released with the 2010 antlerless allocations to the AWR in 2007 and you will see that regeneration decreased in 16 out of 21 WMUs. And, you will also see that forest health in 5C is rated as fair with 26% regeneration while forest health is rated as poor in 2G with 40% regeneration.

okay, that's what I thought.. it is the way you look at different reports from different years and come up with your own conclusions... and they are right ,.... while someone else gets a different opinion from the same studies and they are wrong ...

BTW -- where did you get this, I have not seen this yet ???

the data the PGC released with the 2010 antlerless allocations

The only way to determine if regeneration is increasing or decreasing is to compare different reports from different years and that is exactly what I am doing. But, all the reports I am quoting are the reports the PGC claims they are using to manage the herd and they make absolutely no sense.

doubled posted ????????????????????

No , it has nothing to do with motivation. I deal strictly in factual data and here is the data provided by the PGC,

2007 2010

n % %
1A 70 53 Fair ----- 48—Fair---- -5%
1B 85 35 Poor----- 44---Fair---- +9%
2A 67 46 Fair------41---Fair---- -5%
2B 39 59 Fair -----47----Fair---- -12%
2C 165 56 Fair----54----Fair---- -2%
2D 98 57 Fair-----47----Fair---- -10%
2E 54 54 Fair -----39----Fair---- -15%
2F 155 34 Poor----44----Fair---- +10%
2G 259 42 Poor----40----Fair---- -2%
3A 62 61 Fair ------58----Fair--- -3%
3B 144 59 Fair-----60----Good--- +1%
3C 79 53 Fair ------55----Fair---- +2%
3D 135 54 Fair-----44----Fair--- -10%
4A 83 58 Fair-----57-----Fair---- -1%
4B 83 63 Good-----55----Fair -- -8%
4C 80 60 Fair------ 47----Fair--- -13%
4D 98 53 Fair------37----Fair--- -16%
4E 43 74 Good---- 57---- Fair--- -17%
5A 29 66 Fair -----57-----Fair--- -9%
5B 40 58 Fair -----33-----Fair--- -25%
5C 39 23 Poor ----26-----Fair--- +3%
5D 4 No Data --


The reason there is no data for 5D is because 5D is the suburbs of Phila. with very little forested habitat.

After a decade of reductions and extreme measures, one would think we wouldnt be here now nitpicking over how significant or insificant the amount of REDUCED regen was!! lol. One would think we'd have a reasonable amount of net INCREASE, Doc.

"so the very first thing I read is =
that in 2004 the entire state (all regions) were "inadequate" in advanced regeneration...."

Over half the wmus were rated as "SATISFACTORY" in their amount of regeneration on the pgc 05/06 annual report. That was derived form study compiled with data from 2001 to 2004 according to the chart. Thats during the highest deer years of the study. But they still got slapped with umpteen zillion doe tags.... And our regeneration still went downhill from there.

Many units were rated as low or moderate for human conflict, habitat was fine, and herd health was fine. And as data has shown since, there was nothing wrong with herd health, since those measures didnt improve. All, more than proof positive the plan was a sham from day one.

Why in the heck if you type in == PGC Annual Report 2005/2006 ==

you get nothing but "poop" ...

has to be the WORST website in the world to try to find something !!!!!!!

IT SUCKS !!!!!