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2007/08/15 13:30:41 (permalink)

rod handle building question..

Before I screw up....do you guys individually bore out the cork piece by piece or do you reem it after all the individual pieces are glued together.
 
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    Skip16503
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/15 14:17:51 (permalink)
    Glue them all together then turn then bore carefully with a reamer.... 

     



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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/15 14:26:06 (permalink)
    skip, is it possible to remove the foregrip from a rod and put a longer one on?  do you know of anyone who does it.  they guy who did all the custom work in this area has gone sick and cannot use his fingers so well.
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/15 14:37:46 (permalink)
    Thanks Skip, I ordered all of my cork and my reel seat today. I think I may have screwed up on the reel seat though. I ordered a Pac bay A8 but I think the ID on the insert is going to be too small. If thats the case ill see if i can find a larger ID insert. I got your PM, Im sure Ill be given you a call when I start.
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/15 15:56:51 (permalink)
    Actually I do both.  I bore each cork ring to a mandrel size just smaller then the blank.  Glue up the rings on the mandrel and clamp til dry.  Turn the handle on a lathe and then ream to fit the taper of the blank.
     
    If you're a member on fishinfanatics, you can view a photo journal of a rod I'm building for someone.  It shows each step that I mentioned along with some other stuff.
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/15 16:49:37 (permalink)
    18andlife,
          This may sound condescending but when you glue up your rings, , , be sure to use waterproof cement.  I didn't; one time many moons ago:  and now you know the Rest of the Story.

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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/15 18:00:00 (permalink)
    Trout About- I was planning on using a mandrel and clamping it on. What kind of glue did you use? I was planning on using U40 rod bond but have heard that it will stick to the threads and then is a b*tch to get off. Someone else suggested using a wood glue? What are you using? Also what grits of sand paper that you used to when turning the handle?
     
    inds- I can see where that would be a problem! Thanks
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/15 19:08:12 (permalink)
    I use Titebond 3, available at Lowes.  Rodbond is great too, but like you said, you can end up gluing the grip to the mandrel.  If you want to use Rodbond, apply it to the ring and then scrape it ALL off.  Each mating surface just needs to be wetted.  You don't need a thick "film" of epoxy in there for a good bond.  The less glue, the less likely to see glue lines once finished.

    I start turning with a rasp to get everything concentric.  For sandpaper, I use 80,120, 180, 220, 320 and finish with 400.
    post edited by Trout About - 2007/08/16 12:03:30
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/16 11:45:19 (permalink)
    ditto to scott.
     
    I only have one mandrel, a .25" standard steel rod that I glue everything on.  It is tougher to ream it all out in the finished grip, but it is easier on the manufacturing process otherwise with constant sizing.  All of the cork comes with .25" centers and my drill/lathe set up is for .25".
     
    Alternatively, you can readm and glue directly to the blank of the rod.  You'll either need to have a lathe to turn the entire rod, or another way to shape the grip (which you can do).  The easiest though for most applications is what scott said with multiple mandrels.
     
    Same here with the rasp and rod bond.  Rodbond is the best I've found yet and you don't need much at all.  Scrape it off like you're trying to get it all clean again.  I get a rough shape with the rasp and skip the 80 grit.  I go straight to 120, 240, 400.  Nice and easy, less pressure, more time of turning.
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/16 12:06:34 (permalink)
    Forgot to mention, I'm turning exotic burl, not conventional cork.  It's a little harder and more dense.  If turning real cork, I'd go with what Rick said.  80 grit would take off much too fast
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/16 13:02:46 (permalink)
    thanks for the reponses guys, I am using both conventional cork and burl. Im gonna take it nice and slow after I get them glued together. The last thing I want to do is take too much off.
     
    By the way- I have gathered all of my parts for my rod winding/ drying bench. I have a 40 rpm dc motor hooked into a ac to dc power supply with a pot. Ill try to post pics when I finish it. I was wondering about  thread tension. Is using a bobbin enough? Or should I make a thread mount? I have heard of using something Like a telephone book, but Id rather not have something clunky like that sitting there while im trying to do this.
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/16 14:14:53 (permalink)
    Rod Bond is great glue but overkill and more work when gluing up the rings then needed.  Not to mention too easy to get glue lines.
     
    Tight bond is very easy and you don't need waterproof tight bond either.  I've done hundreds with just Tight Bond.  If you use tight bond feel free to use plenty of pressure and don't be afraid to deform the cork.  Just take the grip off the mandrel and let it rest after 24 hours.  You should always take a grip off after glue-up to let it rest and regain it’s natural shape.  This keeps all inlays and different cork lines in-line and in proper orientation with the turn.  It also lets the glue dry in the bore and keeps you reaming stuff cleaner and less clogged up.
     
    ¼” threaded rod, some durlin,sp?, washers a spring and a wing nut will build you the best the tensioning devise you can have.  All can be picked up at a hardware store for a few dollars.  It doesn’t cause fuzzies on the thread.
     
    Just my 2 cents.
     
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/16 14:36:38 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: 18andlife

    thanks for the reponses guys, I am using both conventional cork and burl. Im gonna take it nice and slow after I get them glued together. The last thing I want to do is take too much off.

     If you are useing cork and burl together make sure you start with sanding block.Just something with a straight edge like a piece of 1x.Makes it alot easier to get the burl down to flush with the cork.
      If you are worried about glueing the grip to the mandrel,wax it first.
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/16 23:11:26 (permalink)
    Well I got my 13ft rainshadow blank today. Its in 2 pieces. So I need a ferrule joint. How do I choose the ferrule for this rod and what is the best way to install it? I googled this but didnt find anything. Any tips?
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/16 23:26:51 (permalink)
    You don't need a ferrule jpint, they are built into the blanks.  Just need to do a thread wrap around the female end of the joint.  As close to the end as possible, to minimize the chance of splitting.
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/16 23:32:54 (permalink)
    Oh, I thought there was some type of insert I had to put into female end of the blank to reinforce it. how long of a wrap should it be? Thank you and everyone else for answering my noob questions..
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/17 07:48:24 (permalink)
    3X the OD of the blank is what I use.....I think.  I haven't built a multi piece rod in more than a year, so it's a little foggy right now.
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/17 10:30:39 (permalink)
    1x will do fine but I usually do 2X to account for a bit of ham fisted treatment.  3X gives you some room for something pretty.  With a bit of care in guide placement you should be able to get a guide on the ferrule and then you reduce the total weight you are putting on the blank.  I'd bet that I've built out more than 50 rods on that blank.
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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/17 22:43:41 (permalink)
    These are on a 2 wt 4 pc I'm working on now  they are not done they need some more packing and a finish put on
    They are the same as the OD of the blank  well Close enough for me lol
     

     



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    RE: rod handle building question.. 2007/08/24 13:21:26 (permalink)
    I thought you guys might want to see the reel seat for my 2wt  I had the rings custom made for me out  of Titanium...
     
    I put the whole reel seat on my postal scale which measures 1/10 Oz  It wouldn't even register ...  I think Its light enough huh  LOL
     
     

     

     



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