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If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/12/2008 8:23:28 PM

NYFISHER

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http://www.syracuse.com/sports/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/122371536456511.xml&coll=1&thispage=1

Be sure to read both pages, it gets really interesting on page 2.

According to Barclay, he'd like to see the entire river as a pay to fish operation.

Although I highly doubt that selling tickets on the various upstream holes of the river will ever come to fruition, it truly demonstrates this man's unbelievable greed and lack of concern for the common working man that makes a few trips to the Salmon River to catch fish that were stocked with TAXPAYER and FISHING LICENSE PROCEEDS.

I have never fished the DSR and would never pay to fish it. His entire operation is basically robbing a public resource because he had the political connnections and power to make it so.
He updated his property by adding a fish cleaning station - Haha - how much does it cost per fish - above the $30 daily access fee?

If Mr. Barclay's wish list for the rest of the river turns to reality, I am certain most folks would say to hell with it and fish elsewhere - I know I would.

Furthermore, if he is so experienced with economic development, then why, in all the years he supposedly served the public as a Senator, couldn't he attract decent paying employers to the Pulaski area instead of having the entire community dependent on the river?

This bonehead pipedream he has will put most of the lodges and restaurants out of business.

What a crock full of Bull.

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/12/2008 10:44:01 PM

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Where are all the garbage/slob theorists now!!!!!Its clear it has/aways and will be all about the money .........

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/12/2008 11:31:09 PM

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Wow! This guy is a dick. How could he even think of this stuff? It would be a cold day in hell before I would buy a ticket to fish a certain spot. I have fished the Douglaston but I am done with that. I hear that the price is going to be raised again next year and more tickets will be sold. If he was in charge of managing the river, I could easily see the whole town going under.

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/13/2008 4:28:15 AM

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Right at the start he mentions trash and the problem of injury law suits as reasons for doing what he did. Later he says he sometimes turns a profit and sometimes doesn't. What's your point?

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/13/2008 8:09:54 AM

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What he said makes sense to me.

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/13/2008 9:50:21 AM

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Not saying CHARGING for spots on the river is the answer.........but at least somebody has an idea as to what it is like to fish there......it is very trying for a sportsmen to fish this river........most folks are so CLUELESS and not much of a sportsmen whatsoever........fish swimming--there goes 3 guys running up river casting and ripping....
there is the group who thinks they own the river--crowd you and crowd you until you get fed up and start crap with them......then they threaten you---bla bla bla.......the river is a joke at times..........and the new fly regs.....c'mon--DEC needs to enforce the rules, regs and laws that are already in the books......a world class fishery--well, only if you fish the fly zones and DSR.........the rest of the river is a free for all??????
the guides are another issue........every year I see guides teaching their clients how to snag fish??? two years ago for 3 days in a row I saw the same guides in the same spot, teaching the same thing--snagging....and explaining to the folks who are paying what 300 some bucks to fish--that this is the only way.........a guide does not own the river or have the right to push out anyone...........there are plenty of ways to earn a living out there.......just because you are a guide---doesn't mean you can put your clients in front of fisherman who are already in the perfect spot........

I love fishing the Salmon River.........and with any luck I will be healthy enough to fish the river for many more years to come........I just press the ignore the idiot button in my head and walk past any hufties.......considering I used to cite many people in Erie and elsewhere for doing the same thing...........I go to New York to get away from the job.............

DEC needs to lay claim to the river and not tolerate any of the BS that is continually going on there...........I understand you can't catch all the bad guys...........but on any day........at any public access area, you can and they should be writing 50-100 tickets a day along that river............

but, if the locals think the only way to catch them or take them is to snag them.......what are the odds out of staters are going to buy into the: they'll strike your lure or fly or bait......not too good......and it shows

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/13/2008 10:55:36 AM

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I have never fished the DSR and would never pay to fish it. my famley has had a camp up there on the lake sense 1938.We pay alot of taxes in ny.Not to mention the super sportsman. HE SAYS I've been in economic development all my life. I've done it locally, I've done it statewide, I've done it nationally, I've done it internationally. The idea is to get a place where people want to be. That's reasonable. The idea is) you get off a plane in Syracuse, arrive here in 35-40 minutes, take your clothes off in the changing tent, then walk (out) and fish. Come back to shore and have (a several-course, gourmet) dinner under a tent. Stay at one of the cottages. Go back in the morning to fish. Leave at noon.WHO CAN AFORD THAT . (former President George Bush )THE ECOMOMY UP THERE WILL SURELY DROP

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/13/2008 12:23:33 PM

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more jobs?, limited ticketed access?... I hear the ticket scalpers now...

Here's thought, community service for DEC code violations... bright yellow jump suits, pick up the litter, cleaning out the porta-potties, serve their time during peak weekends with the most exposure for humiliation, etc... Might make a few people change their minds about chucking junk on the river.

From my interpretation, he'll limit the access for fishing by making it too expensive for the average person.

Less people can afford it= less people go= more room on the river for the "elite" fishing experience....

His plans for accomodations.... UUHhhh I always called it camping and we would cook our own meals....

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/13/2008 1:04:45 PM

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We have run into the same issue in center PA It's time for Trout Unlimited to get involved to protect the average fishermans rights. They can purchase longterm leases to keep the river open the everyone. Is there a chapter in the Pulaski area?

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/17/2008 5:55:31 PM

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I must have missed something, all the years I have been involved in Trout Unlimited I failed to see that buying long term leases was in their mission statement. The last time I looked it was to conserve, protect and restore North America's coldwater fisheries and their watersheds. It didn't say anything about leasing.

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/17/2008 6:49:35 PM

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Charging people to fish for fish they have basically already paid for on state owned land doesn't sound right to me. He, of course, has the right to do anything he wants to with his property.

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/18/2008 4:07:24 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: go-n-fishn

I must have missed something, all the years I have been involved in Trout Unlimited I failed to see that buying long term leases was in their mission statement. The last time I looked it was to conserve, protect and restore North America's coldwater fisheries and their watersheds. It didn't say anything about leasing.

I am a life member of TU. I have been since the late 70s. You are right it is not in the mission statement. Without it how are you going to recruit new members to protect what they can not use? That is why this is an ongoing matter at all levels of TU from local chapters to national. I personaly think it is important to include it or the funds needed to reach its main goal will not be available.
TU finds the funds to partner with other org, Amer rivers, nature cons, to buy long term leases and sometimes outright buy river frontage to protect them. It is money well spent and so would the money spent to protect access for the masses. Without the average anglers support we are nothing.

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/18/2008 5:24:55 AM

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Sounds like I'm about to get priced out---highly doubt the "warden" will go for a big price increase.

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/18/2008 10:59:59 AM

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I don't blame him for what he did on HIS land that has been in his family for generations.I can only imagine what he encountered on HIS land before he took control and regulated the access to HIS land.If I had to fish on the rest of the Salmon River other than the Fly Zones or the DSR I would never come there during the Salmon run as much as I like fishing for the mighty King and Coho.The absolute disregard for the fish and the river that is exhibited by the slobs that show up with their miserable behavior is too much for me to witness during the run.The fact that this is allowed to happen is a disgrace to the state of New York.Okay I got that off my chest so now I feel better.
If you read what he says about fees you will realize that he is looking for a BETTER experience for all that FISH the river,he is not speaking for himself but for the area in general,most of the river is controlled by the state so the fees would go to the state not him.
I'm not in favor of fees to fish,but if that is what it takes to rid the river of the slobs so be it!

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/18/2008 4:50:29 PM

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I've said it many times before, the best thing about the zones is that it keeps so many ,often not very good, flyguys in that small area. Imagine having a couple of those down river in every hole wading up to their nuts trying to fish the far bank just getting in the way. Stop whining about it and look at it as a good thing.

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/21/2008 3:59:38 PM

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wow..never fished the salmon river and maybe never will, but that guy's a joke. he has no clue about life.

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RE: If Barclay (DSR) had his way - 10/22/2008 5:04:05 PM

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Charging to fish the river. How about the average working guy wanting to take his kids fishing. "Sorry little Jonny and Susie, we can't go. Fishing is only for the rich folk to do".

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