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Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:01:51 PM   
chartist

 

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Status: offline 		Steelhead fishing in Erie dries up......you folks need to start sharing....forget spot burning and honey holes.....You folks need to become more altruistic.....That means helping .....You all need to do whatever it takes to keep visitors coming back to Erie to fish and supporting your local economy....So when someone asks how far are the fish up Elk, if you know, answer.....Don't provide anymore smarta$$ remarks.....You need to support the sport and the few bucks you spend ain't it.....You need guys looking to spend $1000+ for a long weekend......I tell you when the pluses and minuses are tallied at the end of the year, the state and county better come out ahead or it's all over.
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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:10:26 PM   
saltydog

 

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the money steelhead bring into the erie area is nice for a bunch of niche companies, but its just a drop in the bucket for the area economy.

if the lake were to go dry, then we could have a problem.

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:17:28 PM   
chartist

 

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Status: offline 		Erie is reinventing itself into a tourist testination.....And the lake is the drawl....smart folks said, lets do the steelhead thing and bring folks here in the fall/winter.....it's all cost/benefit......get enough bad actors leading to posted land on tribs, and it all fails....post some misleading fishing reports and you help create a decline....I posted here that the restrooms at Elk access were horrible....>Two weeks later I visit and there's a portolet.....did I make the change, doubt it....but there's room for improvement.

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:19:59 PM   
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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:21:44 PM   
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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:21:53 PM   
Dream Catcher


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Status: offline 		If the tribs dry up and they take down all the bridges you won't be able to linger here anylonger ?
Oh no tell me it isn't so?

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:21:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chartist

Erie is reinventing itself into a tourist testination.....And the lake is the drawl....smart folks said, lets do the steelhead thing and bring folks here in the fall/winter.....it's all cost/benefit......get enough bad actors leading to posted land on tribs, and it all fails....post some misleading fishing reports and you help create a decline....I posted here that the restrooms at Elk access were horrible....>Two weeks later I visit and there's a portolet.....did I make the change, doubt it....but there's room for improvement.


What's a drawl? 

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:27:21 PM   
chartist

 

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Status: offline 		I think most of you are republican.....Remember Ronald Reagan?  He proposed trickle down economics....And man, I am sure he had Erie in mind when he espoused that idea.

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:30:59 PM   
labman1

 

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Status: offline 		Why do people depend so much on this website. If you want to come to Erie and spend some money and do some fishing...GREAT! Get out there and hit the water its November and the fish are there. What did every one do before the internet?

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:32:01 PM   
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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:35:40 PM   
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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:38:56 PM   
PeteM

 

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Only registered and certified guides can charge for services. Hire one, cause from what I've seen on these boards, you ain't making any friends.

If you are having a hard time, maybe there is something wrong with you.

I really doubt if your blustering lecture is going to help either.

On the other hand, I've had two trips up from Pittsburgh so far, and have found the people on the stream and this site very helpful.

Here's a couple of tips-

Watch what the guys who are catching fish do. They know what works.

Politely ask them with and earnest want to learn what they are doing. They will show you.

Do what they tell you.

There are no honey holes. They are all honey holes.

There are no altruisms. Even the joy of seeing someone succeed would be considered reciprocation, thus defeating an altruistic effort.





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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:44:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr.Slickfish

TROLL



If anyone is a troll, its you.

always starting trouble.

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 6:48:13 PM   
chartist

 

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Status: offline 		Pete,  I am not talking about catching fish....I am talking about the experience.....I am talking about sanitary restrooms, promotion of fishing streams in the county and promotion of services for fisherman......I've read plenty of posts  containing disdain for the Orvis-clad fisherman....let me tell you now, you need the $20 cigar chomping Orvis clad guys visiting and spreading the benjamins around....

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 7:03:19 PM   
PeteM

 

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Status: offline 		So hypothetically, some orvis clad guy takes a clean dump and has a nice day fishing. Therefore he decides to have a barge built, some custom tool and die work done, buy a house and have it remodeled, and maybe move a division of his company into the area, thus creating a number of permanent jobs, some temporary contract work, and a couple of business derived from his ?

That would have to be a very good dump, and one whale of a fish.

Besides, you already have Donny Beaver, the worlds greatest "CONservationist" attracting the really, and I mean REALLY deep pockets.

You know and understand what his business model is, right?

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 7:06:09 PM   
rookie5781

 

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Status: offline 		Is that all you are worried about is the bathrooms????? Your a guy, you don't need a bathroom! People on here may give you advice if maybe you weren't such a pompus jerk. There are alot of people that come to Erie to fish and have fun doing it and don't complain. It's people like you that expect a 5 star experience that are miserable. I think that this site gives alot of useful information. You keep saying that you hate everything about fishing in Erie, then why do you keep coming???? Everyone is right you are nothing but a TROLL!

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 7:14:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chartist

You all need to do whatever it takes to keep visitors coming back to Erie to fish and supporting your local economy....So when someone asks how far are the fish up Elk, if you know, answer.....



i'm pretty sure erie's economy is doing fairly fine considering there's 4 major colleges located in the city to support the local businesses not to mention the entire population being 4th or 5th largest in the state? so i think there's a good many fisherman just in the city or surrounding areas that pay their dues to support "the economy". as for the large companies like GE... i dont think that they benefit from tourist fisherman, but then again i could be wrong. maybe the reason why fishing license prices are so high is because GE needs to make up for lost revenue in a tanking national economy

oh yeah, the fish are up to McKean on Elk. go fishing but don't keep any fish, and or use a hook either because everytime you kill a fish or harm one... erie's economy tanks because we had to pay for that fish which is no longer producing revenue for the city.

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 7:29:20 PM   
PeteM

 

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Status: offline 		Nah, GE is doing O.K.

What does their division up there produce?

A company I worked for had a division up there, but I'm not sure it still exists or if it had been consolidated during a restructuring process.

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 8:10:43 PM   
heyiknowyou


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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 8:18:08 PM   
rookie5781

 

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ORIGINAL: heyiknowyou

honestly i have no clue what they produce up here, but the facility is huge


Really???

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 8:31:16 PM   
PeteM

 

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Status: offline 		Found it, taken from pdf ( http://www.epa.gov/reg3wcmd/ca/pa/pdf/pad005033055.pdf )

"The GE facility manufactures diesel and electric locomotives, motorized wheels for off-highway construction vehicles, propulsion equipment for mass transit, and drives for oil and gas well drilling rigs. The facility processes include metalworking, fabricating and finishing. A coal-fired power plant is operated on-site to furnish electricity and steam in order to supply the processes. The facility also operates an on-site industrial Wastewater Treatment Plant (WWTP)."

I wouldn't mind becoming a local and working at that plant. Probably have to finish my educatin first though.

That would help the economy.javascript:void(AddText(''))

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 8:55:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeteM

I wouldn't mind becoming a local and working at that plant. Probably have to finish my educatin first though.



Good luck.


Chartist, not at all.

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 8:57:02 PM   
genieman77

 

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Status: offline 		speaking of the "The Beav".... hey Chartsit, hows come you're not in that clUb?

I thought you were a big baller...


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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 8:57:41 PM   
spoonchucker


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Status: offline 		Erie may not be dependent on Steelhead fishing, but it does generate some serious money.

From an economic impact study commisioned, and conducted by the PF&BC, and the Pa. Sea Grant.

Because the fishery attracts a large number of visitors to the region it provides a notable contribution to the Erie County economy. Survey results suggest that anglers attracted to the Erie County, Pennsylvania stream and shoreline steelhead fishery spent nearly $9.5 million on trip-related expenditures in 2003. Overall, this activity generates $5.71 million in new value-added activity in Erie County, supporting 219 jobs in the economy through direct and indirect effects.
 
This was 6 years ago.

If it dries up, maybe Jenna, and I can open a pie shop.

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 8:59:05 PM   
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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 9:25:43 PM   
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I think I just got dumber reading this thread.


good call.

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 9:29:58 PM   
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You must have read it twice 

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 9:43:18 PM   
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"The GE facility manufactures diesel and electric locomotives, motorized wheels for off-highway construction vehicles, propulsion equipment for mass transit, and drives for oil and gas well drilling rigs. The facility processes include metalworking, fabricating and finishing. A coal-fired power plant is operated on-site to furnish electricity and steam in order to supply the processes. The facility also operates an on-site industrial Wastewater Treatment Plant (WWTP)."

I wouldn't mind becoming a local and working at that plant. Probably have to finish my educatin first though.



Good Luck....I, along with 3,000+ others, were just laid off from there.....I'm pretty sure the stealhead being in the tribs have absolutely no effect on the railroad industry.....


Think about how much "goods" are really bought up here in erie for stealhead fishing....Lodging, food and bait.....That's about it for the most part....It's not like the local malls and smalltown specialty stores are getting a piece of the pie...They are still hurting very much....

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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 10:23:39 PM   
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RE: Guess what happens when Steelhead trips dry up? - 11/6/2009 10:37:02 PM   
steelheadfillet

 

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Status: offline 		You guys would be surprized how many erie locals dont know what a steelhead is.
they live in 300k-500k homes and could not care any less about fisherman tourism.

its sad you people only know "erie" as a place to fill your freezer easily.

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