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report-oct 17,18,19,20

Got in Mon o dark 30 to a day in the 60s and a few fish most everywhere and still a number of fishermen most everywhere.
Fish were mostly ganged up in low warm waters in deeper holes surrounded in chuckers and duckers all up and down the river.
Those in small pockets or elsewhere were about the most line shy fish I have ever experienced on the river.
Guys stalking and lining every run.
Shortly after light the choke points had few guys- the fish weren't really running but kinda stayin put.
 
Tuesday got into the low 80s- LOW 80S- bright and sunny- fishing like yesterday but worse.
 
Wednesday cloudier in 60s-same as Monday.
 
Today bugged out around 9 Am in rain getting heavier by the moment.
 
Very few fish on beds but starting to gang up a bit and will likely spawn very soon. Those seen trying to spawn were quickly accompanied by fishermen.
Didn't see over 3 dozen deads from top to bottom and I covered a LOT of ground- despite all the earlier decent run reports the deads don't support it.
A small push or pod down low is quickly reduced below 81 and hardly noticeable further upriver.
 
Saw only 4 Steel in 3 1/3 days and one Ho. Fish aren't really running but hanging around the same areas waiting ( I think) to spawn.
Would see a fish with the same lure hanging off it over and over coming past--just swimming around the same area.
 
Everything I had on was lined or snagged and quickly popped off- had a decent number -they woulda likely died after a fight in the low warm water- SNAP.
DSR report says ya gotta go real light as the fish are so spooky- they are right- Tried it and they were still shying from everything.
 
MANY limits on stringers all over- woulda been easy to do that with the normal methods used on the river.
 
Likely saw about 8 or 9 guys FISHING.
MANY stealth rippers-you know cast wait and then LLLLIIIIFFFFFT for another cast.
 
Checked my posts from the same time last year- fewer fish but they were bitey in cooler higher waters.
More Steel too - hope that changes when it cools- despite reports of Steel they appeared VERY few and far between.
Leaves were already down this time a year ago and now they are just starting- issues on hooks lol.
Natives  saying its 3 weeks later this year due to weather.
 
Cant wait to get back up in cooler waters.
 
High point of the trip- stopping by to see Andy.
post edited by r3g3 - 2016/10/20 20:16:48
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    fichy
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/20 20:19:54 (permalink)
    Thanks, Trev.  I was considering going up for my yearly b-day trip next week, but since work is backed up and the crowds are riptastic, I think I'll pass. I'll wait for much colder weather and hopefully, more water.  
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/20 20:38:22 (permalink)
    From Monday till today the crowds have diminished a bit.
    Likely will go down much more this late.
    With a degree of walking ya can generally get away from most of them but its skinny water and it doesn't  take too many to be too many.
    Up river ya can get in with 3o yds or so between guys on part of it as long as your halfway between lots or big pools.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/20 22:01:35 (permalink)
    LOts of rain coming and much cooler temps.,that should help.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 07:16:08 (permalink)
    Was nice to see ya trev. River is going to go up substantially. Perfect timing Imo. That is to protect all of the steelhead from these salmon crowds :)
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 10:50:34 (permalink)
    Took a break and went to DD for a coffee in town and  then proceeded to the overlook at the needle to rest up, watch the show and then go back up river.
    Saw two guys marching up around the island below the overlook deck and go straight to a guy fishing- could tell they were on a mission the way they walked and waved arms around talking.
    Well a big argument ensued complete with finger pointing and a bit of chest pushing.
    Arms were being cocked back for some punching and  the third guy got in the middle and forced the two main guys apart.
    Arguing continued and then the two left with the peacemaker kinda forcing the leaving.
    Aint fishing fun.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 11:11:01 (permalink)
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    Took a break and went to DD for a coffee in town and  then proceeded to the overlook at the needle to rest up, watch the show and then go back up river.
    Saw two guys marching up around the island below the overlook deck and go straight to a guy fishing- could tell they were on a mission the way they walked and waved arms around talking.
    Well a big argument ensued complete with finger pointing and a bit of chest pushing.
    Arms were being cocked back for some punching and  the third guy got in the middle and forced the two main guys apart.
    Arguing continued and then the two left with the peacemaker kinda forcing the leaving.
    Aint fishing fun.




    That's why I very seldom fish below the bridge at Altmar,fishing is supposed to be relaxed and fun but it is n't with all the snaggers during silly season.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 11:22:15 (permalink)
    How do you put up with the snaggers in the LFZ?  And why do you even bother with salmon?
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 11:52:58 (permalink)
    Snagging is a way of life on the Sr and I -for one- don't ever see it stopping, gotta learn to live with  it- like or not.
    Or go nuts.
    Recall one fine Summer day approaching the wire pool in upper zone- looking for the elusive Atlantic.
    Stopped a bit back from the pool on the path  and began to rig up my rod- could hear some loud voices and looked up at the pool.
    Two guys on the far side ripping away hard and fast.
    I walked over to the pool where they could see me and they immediately walked off into the woods.
    A fish or two were visible and one was all ripped on its back.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 14:24:47 (permalink)
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    How do you put up with the snaggers in the LFZ?  And why do you even bother with salmon?


    Lucky are you implying that trib fishing for salmon should be closed?
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 14:34:53 (permalink)
    If I had my druthers, there would be no more invasive salmon stocked in the lake, but that ain't going to happen unless the fishery collapses.  But something needs to be done, at the very least non-residents should lose their license for a few years when caught (it's all on computers now) and tackle should be routinely confiscated, as it is in Canada.  Legitimate anglers either have to pay the exorbitant fees at DSR, or have little chance of actually finding a biter with the wholesale illegal fishing going on now.  When guys like HT feel it necessary to abandon the fishery because of the horse manure, we resident taxpayers are getting ripped off, and that ain't right.
    post edited by Lucky13 - 2016/10/21 14:37:44
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 15:24:31 (permalink)
    x
    post edited by r3g3 - 2016/10/23 08:59:40
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 15:42:16 (permalink)
    It seems to me that the lion's share of the braggadocio, and a lot of the litter (can't see it from my backyard!) originates with out of staters, who would never get away with this behavior in their home states.  But I would like to see a much bigger hammer for residents, too.
     
    "A few local folks" would be everyone that I know that lives around there and has any kind of life outside of the fishery.   They are vehemently opposed to the trashing their community takes for the fiscal benefit of the ones who do subsist off the fishery.  It is interesting to see the reaction of the Charter Industry as expressed on the Great Lakes United board, as well, they are pretty well fed up at this point, as we've got a parallel shyt show on the Genesee right now. 
     
    At one time it was a phenomenal Atlantic Salmon fishery, and before the kings it was a good trout river.  If the alewife goes, we may see it be both again.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 15:53:45 (permalink)
    Lucky it is pretty horrible. I'm disgusted by it myself. Too many nuisances to mention. I'd almost rather see a trout fishery. The kids had a blast all summer long catching a mixed bag of browns and small mouths. I know an Atlantic fishery would thrive, and I sense they've been slowly leaning towards a crash for some time now to enable a clean slate for the atlantics. But im not sure I can stomach the politics, controversy and mostly the snobbery that comes with Atlantic salmon :)
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 16:12:15 (permalink)
    This out of stater has picked up lots of trash on the SR and I bet a lot of that was from resident "slobs" as they.the slobs live everywhere.Why not have a deposit fee on all beverage containers so when I pick them up I can get rewarded for my efforts,but when the "slobs" realize they are throwing money down on the trail they might stop and think,if they have a brain in their head.
    Why do I fish for SAlmon? Well I love it when they rip my line down to the backing and show me the fight they are capable of,there is nothing locally that compares so I make the drive North to get my "FIX",however next year I'm going to Alaska to get a taste of the real "Thing",maybe after that the SR will se no more of me.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 17:11:55 (permalink)
    I have to remain neutral on in state vs outta state because I live in the United States and enjoy the benefits that country provides .
    I do agree , a slob is a slob no matter where . Here in France , lots of people smoke . I smoke also . They , the locals think nothing of tossing their butts on the ground . Me a foreigner , as I do at my own place in nature , strip the head and put the butt in my pocket to toss in the trash later .
    It's not where we are from but the ethics many have lost and now become second nature that is screwed up in this world today .

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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 17:13:19 (permalink)
    Jack you are a stand up visitor :) and I agree 100% with refundable containers. And yes plenty of garbage is thrown from locals in the off season. Alaska sounds great, where are you heading?
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 17:26:52 (permalink)
    Nice reporting RG.
    I read it right after your PM.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 18:31:19 (permalink)
    Lucky13 you gotta be kidding me.  First, nearly all fishermen on the SR are instate.  Second, look at the beer can waste:  always the cheap stuff.  Out of state guys aren't fishing the town pool and the waste is horrible.  The DSR sees very little waste.  No, it's the Pulaski guys spewing the waste by a wide margin.  
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 19:00:50 (permalink)
    xx
     
     
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 19:47:23 (permalink)
    Instate or out of state des not matter. I call them fishheads and have since I was young. Anyone who does not frequent the river area in general outside of  fishing is a fishhead.  Outside of the town pool area there are very  few  '' Pulaski guys''  trashing the river, drinking at 9am and being self centered a holes so don't give me the line that's it's them trashing THE WHOLE RIVER.   Any parking lot has at least 33% out of state plates . There are very few ''local'' folks fishing at any given time. Local is you pay taxes to a district the river is in. If you are not local you get lumped in with everyone else to me. It's how you conduct yourself that sets you apart.  Like Trev said,   It is not the POS out of staters it is just the plain old POS people period, local, from cuse or from Alaska.

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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 20:11:25 (permalink)
    Oota's is a better term... as Clint is correct with in staters still contributing. Guys, don't take offense as it really doesn't apply to most anyone I've met here. But you must realize how much of a traveling circus act it looks like when you see it come and go with the salmon run.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 20:38:29 (permalink)
    edit
     
    post edited by r3g3 - 2016/10/23 08:57:56
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/21 23:38:27 (permalink)
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    Jack you are a stand up visitor :) and I agree 100% with refundable containers. And yes plenty of garbage is thrown from locals in the off season. Alaska sounds great, where are you heading?



    Andy the river is the Kanektok,also known as the "Chosen River",it is near Quinhagak in the SW.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/22 02:10:35 (permalink)
    I kinda get what L-13 said but think it was in poor choice of words .
    Andy kind of summed it up as a traveling circus . Granted we all have been a part of that as well but it's the majority that make it a bad experience , not the minority .
    Personally , I can't take it any longer . I don't like a lot of people in one place in general and the view isn't so great anymore . Even in the winter it can be difficult as once the flotilla starts .
    Good luck to all and talk to ya when I touch down in the states later today

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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/22 03:46:29 (permalink)
    I think if you check those beer cans out you will find most are not $0.o5 returnables.
    At least that is what I have found.
     
    Pigs live everywhere.
    Its people that figure they won't be back soon 
    who feel they can toss there trash anywhere they want.
     
     
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/22 10:27:25 (permalink)
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    This out of stater has picked up lots of trash on the SR and I bet a lot of that was from resident "slobs" as they.the slobs live everywhere.Why not have a deposit fee on all beverage containers so when I pick them up I can get rewarded for my efforts,but when the "slobs" realize they are throwing money down on the trail they might stop and think,if they have a brain in their head.
    Why do I fish for SAlmon? Well I love it when they rip my line down to the backing and show me the fight they are capable of,there is nothing locally that compares so I make the drive North to get my "FIX",however next year I'm going to Alaska to get a taste of the real "Thing",maybe after that the SR will se no more of me.


    New York has a deposit on most beverage cans, the ones you find with no deposit are from other states.
     
    We wait for the chromers anymore, they may not be as big as the kings but they are twice as fast.  But if you can afford to go to Alaska, you should be able to afford a few days in DSR, and the crowds are thin down there.  The last couple of times that I fished the Zone, it was more snaggers than anglers, even with all the tackle restrictions.
     
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/22 10:41:03 (permalink)
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    Lucky13 you gotta be kidding me.  First, nearly all fishermen on the SR are instate.  Second, look at the beer can waste:  always the cheap stuff.  Out of state guys aren't fishing the town pool and the waste is horrible.  The DSR sees very little waste.  No, it's the Pulaski guys spewing the waste by a wide margin.  


    I'm with Clint, the lots have plates from all over, and as I said, if they are no deposit beercans they came from  out of state (Only Albany could exempt cider cans that are identical to beer cans from deposit, but I doubt you are seeing many craft cider cans along the river.)  Most of the posters on the Salmontime site that are posting their hero shots in the town pool are out of staters, and you are an out of stater. 
     
    The DEC study says the fishery is worth about 12.5 million lakewide.  Most of the residents of Pulaksi work there, or in the 'Cuse, or around Oswego, and do not rely on the fishery.   The local poachers from Rochester don't need to travel, they can rip up the Genny or Sandy, same with Oswego.
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/22 11:45:57 (permalink)
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    This out of stater has picked up lots of trash on the SR and I bet a lot of that was from resident "slobs" as they.the slobs live everywhere.Why not have a deposit fee on all beverage containers so when I pick them up I can get rewarded for my efforts,but when the "slobs" realize they are throwing money down on the trail they might stop and think,if they have a brain in their head.
    Why do I fish for SAlmon? Well I love it when they rip my line down to the backing and show me the fight they are capable of,there is nothing locally that compares so I make the drive North to get my "FIX",however next year I'm going to Alaska to get a taste of the real "Thing",maybe after that the SR will se no more of me.


    New York has a deposit on most beverage cans, the ones you find with no deposit are from other states.
     
    We wait for the chromers anymore, they may not be as big as the kings but they are twice as fast.  But if you can afford to go to Alaska, you should be able to afford a few days in DSR, and the crowds are thin down there.  The last couple of times that I fished the Zone, it was more snaggers than anglers, even with all the tackle restrictions.
     


    I'm in my mid 70's and always wanted to see Alaska and fish there,so as my time is getting short it's now or never.The last time I was at the DSR the crowd was not thin and the snaggers were down there also.The LFZ is now the "stealth lifter fly rod holder spot",I prefer the UFZ but this year when I was there it was a bust because of the warm water, there were very few fish and they were not hitting .
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    Re: report-oct 17,18,19,20 2016/10/22 12:00:07 (permalink)
    Good luck with the trip of a lifetime!  I hope that I am still able to walk into the UFZ when (if) I make it to mid 70's.  The muscles are protesting quite a bit in the mid 60's!
     
    UFZ will probably be loaded when this water comes down!  Of course, many will be not long for this world this late in October.
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