Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ?

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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 09:01:41 (permalink)
I caught two Quilback Carpsuckers  on a blade bait in Pymy through the ice this winter. Thought I had on a good Eye until I saw the scales. I had no idea what it was until I described it to a fella and he recognized what I described. One was 20 inches other 22+. I have a picture I could possibly share latter.
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 10:37:16 (permalink)
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I caught two Quilback Carpsuckers  on a blade bait in Pymy through the ice this winter. Thought I had on a good Eye until I saw the scales. I had no idea what it was until I described it to a fella and he recognized what I described. One was 20 inches other 22+. I have a picture I could possibly share latter.


Lucky! I had no luck getting in to any Quillback in Erie last year. They're very picking feeders and seldom even caught using bait. I'd take a Quillback over an 'Eye any day, better fight and cooler fish!
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 10:48:22 (permalink)
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 11:38:07 (permalink)
I caught one of those on Pymatuning BTDT. It's a quillback, no?
Snagged him in the back. Thought I had a word record walleye on the line. :)
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 12:13:34 (permalink)
Well, apparently Pymy is the place to fish for Quills. All of you who've caught them, did you snag them or did they take a bait? Time to break out the number 16 hooks and half a waxworm if they're being caught with bait!
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 13:51:57 (permalink)
I caught a quillback a couple years ago at the Shenango on a tan caddis pupae imitation, and I believe my brother caught one that same day. Very unexpected. I'll try to dig up a photo. The redhorses are hard enough to target there, the quillbacks are nearly impossible haha.

I foul hook them quite often though. Many around the mouth/head but unfortunately not in. Feel the head shakes then am disappointed to see they didn't eat my offering. I've gotta say they're probably one of the hardest fish to catch in PA, besides the filter feeder paddlefish.
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 13:55:09 (permalink)

 
 
Just put the picture up so guyz could see what TreeSparrow had caught.  We were chasing these guys around in a shallow bay last spring, caught two on a 1/32 oz jig I was using for crappie.  This picture was provided by the Ohio DNR, couldn't find mine.
 
http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/species-and-habitats/species-guide-index/fish/quillback-carpsucker 
 

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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 14:33:03 (permalink)
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I caught a quillback a couple years ago at the Shenango on a tan caddis pupae imitation, and I believe my brother caught one that same day. Very unexpected. I'll try to dig up a photo. The redhorses are hard enough to target there, the quillbacks are nearly impossible haha.

I foul hook them quite often though. Many around the mouth/head but unfortunately not in. Feel the head shakes then am disappointed to see they didn't eat my offering. I've gotta say they're probably one of the hardest fish to catch in PA, besides the filter feeder paddlefish.


Is the Redhorse fishing any good in the Shenango? I can't wait for this year's spring runs, especially on the Allegheny!
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 19:08:04 (permalink)
The photo is BTDT posted shows the fish better, but here's one I have of a Shenango quillback. This fish was one of the few quillbacks that was actually caught.......mixed in with gazillions of foul hooked ones.
 



 
It's hard to say exactly how good the redhorse fishing is there since I very, very, very rarely target them, but yeah it does seem to have a pretty darn good population of them. At least in certain spots. Some days when I'm wading the shallows for carp I see many more suckers than carp, and other days it's about even.....or there's more carp. I wouldn't say there's a spring run or anything(maybe in a few of its small tribs?) but numbers are pretty consistent during the warmer months in areas.
 
I will say that the redhorses there are a heck of a lot pickier than the carp. Not as picky as quillbacks though haha.
 

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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 19:23:30 (permalink)
This was a pretty odd "catch."  Was fishing a creek and got tangled up in a bunch of line while wading. After wrapping up what seemed like an entire spool of line I find this at the end of it!!! 99% sure it's a stonecat madtom. Given the time of year and the location I doubt the person was using it for bait, so they got their line snagged up and lost it for whatever reason and the fish decided to eat the bait. Anyways, I unhooked the fish and it swam off. Had a similar thing happen at a different creek, but the fish on the end of the line seemed to have been dead for a while.
 

 
And my personal best golden shiner


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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 21:19:59 (permalink)
The Quilbacks are back. I had one hooked about 10 years ago on Shenango River had it just about in when it got off. It was hooked on a minnow in the mouth but slipped away. I told my buddies that was a silver Carp I just lost ! They said I was crazy and seeing things. Had no idea what a Quilback was or ever seen one on Shenango River back then. Looked it up on the internet and there it was. You guys are right you usually end up fowl hooking them more often. I have seen schools of Quilbacks in the mouth of Walnut Creek in early Spring they just lay suspended out near the very mouth.....won't touch anything I tossed near them. 
Troutguy you have the best and oddest variety of fish I've ever seen. That Golden Shiner looks like the one I caught in Hartstown Swamp many years ago. Glad you got a photo of that one....I wasn't as lucky

 

Golden Salmon (below )

 
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 21:25:43 (permalink)



" I'd take a Quillback over an 'Eye any day, better fight and cooler fish!"

Divemaster you better ease up on that crack your smoking  !  LOL .....
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 21:52:38 (permalink)
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" I'd take a Quillback over an 'Eye any day, better fight and cooler fish!"

Divemaster you better ease up on that crack your smoking  !  LOL .....


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I think he may have inhaled some bad compressed air.....  how 'bout it?

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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 22:05:58 (permalink)
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" I'd take a Quillback over an 'Eye any day, better fight and cooler fish!"

Divemaster you better ease up on that crack your smoking  !  LOL .....


Been breathing too much Argox. Apparently it's only for dry suit inflation, not inhaling. Shhhh, it's my secret! XD

In all seriousness, I still like catching Walleye here and there, I just don't target them like most diehard 'eye guys do. It was fun as heck dragging in a 12 pounder I caught in Erie back in June but the fight was rather disappointing. No head shakes, runs, dives, jumps, or anything. Just a consistent, heavy weight on the end of the line and it felt like I was pulling up a pair of bricks LOL. On the other hand, I've never caught a Quillback but they appear very similar to Smallmouth Buffalo which I have caught and I have to say they're some of the best fighting fish out there. Long, persistent runs taking out 100+ feet of line before getting pulled in 50 feet to take out another 100. They're like Carp on steroids!
If you're fishing for food, I can understand why you'd want to go for walleye, though. Nothing I like better than coming back to the cottage after 8 or 9 hours of trolling, filleting up a nice walleye or a few perch, and having a fresh fish sandwich before heading out for the evening inshore White Bass and Drum bite.
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 22:12:45 (permalink)
If ya truly would like to target these guys, here is some information provided by the Ohio DNR.  Note the area and foods preferred by the Quillback.  Also, these fish move in large schools which may be why they are caught by being snagged.
 
Just like any other fish, they will immediately spit out anything that does not meet their food criteria.  Sight fishing is by far the best way to fair hook one of these characters then, hang on!
 
Also, you Red Horse fans should try peeled crayfish tails or sometimes shrimp then, hang on.  Just remember to get the crayfish from the same water you are fishing. 
 
 
The following information is provided by ODNR:
 
Northern quillback carpsuckers are found only in Lake Erie and the first mile or two of some of its larger tributaries. They can be found throughout the lake but are most common in depths of 15-25 feet. The central quillback carpsucker is found throughout inland Ohio in most streams and rivers. They are most common in the low gradient streams of northwestern and southeastern Ohio. They can also be rather abundant in some of Ohio's larger reservoirs. Both adults and young often feed in large schools, moving slowly over a sand or gravel bottom. They feed on small crustaceans and other aquatic invertebrates, protozoa, and filamentous algae.
 

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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/12 22:33:37 (permalink)
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If ya truly would like to target these guys, here is some information provided by the Ohio DNR.  Note the area and foods preferred by the Quillback.  Also, these fish move in large schools which may be why they are caught by being snagged. Just like any other fish, they will immediately spit out anything that does not meet their food criteria.  Sight fishing is by far the best way to fair hook one of these characters then, hang on! Also, you Red Horse fans should try peeled crayfish tails or sometimes shrimp then, hang on.  Just remember to get the crayfish from the same water you are fishing.   The following information is provided by ODNR: Northern quillback carpsuckers are found only in Lake Erie and the first mile or two of some of its larger tributaries. They can be found throughout the lake but are most common in depths of 15-25 feet. The central quillback carpsucker is found throughout inland Ohio in most streams and rivers. They are most common in the low gradient streams of northwestern and southeastern Ohio. They can also be rather abundant in some of Ohio's larger reservoirs. Both adults and young often feed in large schools, moving slowly over a sand or gravel bottom. They feed on small crustaceans and other aquatic invertebrates, protozoa, and filamentous algae. 


Thanks for the info BTDT! That's the main reason I was going for them in Erie, our pier in the main lake sticks out 20 or 30 feet in to the lake and is next to a cove so there's always decent schools of Quillback roaming around in the gin clear water in May and June and it's easy to sight fish them, they just scare so easily. If I move my arm too fast they'll all take off in different directions! I've also been consulting with the Carpsucker Underground recently, but you didn't hear that from me.
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 10:50:52 (permalink)
   DM,  I totally agree about the deep trolling method for Walleye on Erie... like reeling in a wet rag. Most of the time they pop up on top of the water a hundred feet back and slide across the surface when reeling in. If it weren't for the dipsy bouncing around with that Eye on, the fight would be even less. Watched a guy fighting a fish and said it was really tugging good only to find out the dipsy never released and there was no fish ! I will take drift fishing or casting up on the Sandusky area any time over deep trolling as far as Walleye fishing goes on Lake Erie. Even caught Walleye casting from shore at night up there and that's much more sporty. No doubt if your looking to fill that freezer and enjoy the fine taste of Walleye deep trolling puts up the serious numbers all Summer.
 
As far as a fighting fish per size and weight Walleye are lower on my scale, but as far as taste I got to put them somewhere in the top three !
 
  
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 11:28:50 (permalink)
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   DM,  I totally agree about the deep trolling method for Walleye on Erie... like reeling in a wet rag. Most of the time they pop up on top of the water a hundred feet back and slide across the surface when reeling in. If it weren't for the dipsy bouncing around with that Eye on, the fight would be even less. Watched a guy fighting a fish and said it was really tugging good only to find out the dipsy never released and there was no fish ! I will take drift fishing or casting up on the Sandusky area any time over deep trolling as far as Walleye fishing goes on Lake Erie. Even caught Walleye casting from shore at night up there and that's much more sporty. No doubt if your looking to fill that freezer and enjoy the fine taste of Walleye deep trolling puts up the serious numbers all Summer. As far as a fighting fish per size and weight Walleye are lower on my scale, but as far as taste I got to put them somewhere in the top three !   


LOL. I remover the first time I tried a dipsy last year. We were only trolling with downriggers until one day I decided to throw a number one dipsy on a $40 thick stick rod and spinning reel I had onboard with 25 pound mono line. Boy, that was a mistake. The rod was moderate action so it was bent in half the entire time and the mono line was stretched about as much as it could. Pulling it in in that rod took a solid 10 minutes with the diver only out 60 feet! Thankfully, I'm getting a pair of actual dipsy rods this year for Lakers and Steelhead.

And I have to agree with you about casting. There's always a few schools of 14-24" residents hunting emeralds around our pier in April and May and it's fun to catch those guys on a medium spinning rod with a floating rapala, adds a bit more fight to them.
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 13:17:13 (permalink)
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Troutguy you have the best and oddest variety of fish I've ever seen. That Golden Shiner looks like the one I caught in Hartstown Swamp many years ago. Glad you got a photo of that one....I wasn't as lucky



 
Thanks Capt....and there's more where that came from haha. My username may be troutguy, but I'll take anything that swims.......except for that batfish thing Mikastorm posted hahaha.
 
With some exceptions, I've noticed golden shiners are mostly found in swampy/marshy areas with relatively clear water. Hartstown doesn't surprise me. There's a couple places that I know of that have a bunch of goldens, but very few other fish.
 
Here's an oddball golden shiner from a couple years back. Very recognizable location......hope I didn't spot burn anyones shiner hotspot!! lol. That was the only golden I've ever caught there. Was it a wild fish or a bait bucket escapee....idk.
 

 
And a logperch darter from the same place
 

 
 
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As you very well know the redhorses that creek gets are massive!!
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 13:19:57 (permalink)
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CAPTAIN HOOKTroutguy you have the best and oddest variety of fish I've ever seen. That Golden Shiner looks like the one I caught in Hartstown Swamp many years ago. Glad you got a photo of that one....I wasn't as lucky


 Thanks Capt....and there's more where that came from haha. My username may be troutguy, but I'll take anything that swims.......except for that batfish thing Mikastorm posted hahaha. With some exceptions, I've noticed golden shiners are mostly found in swampy/marshy areas with relatively clear water. Hartstown doesn't surprise me. There's a couple places that I know of that have a bunch of goldens, but very few other fish. Here's an oddball golden shiner from a couple years back. Very recognizable location......hope I didn't spot burn anyones shiner hotspot!! lol. That was the only golden I've ever caught there. Was it a wild fish or a bait bucket escapee....idk.  And a logperch darter from the same place   
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 As you very well know the redhorses that creek gets are massive!!


Mind if I ask what creek that is? I don't want to spot burn though, so no offense taken if you don't want to post the name.
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 13:24:07 (permalink)
I think this is the smallest fish I've ever caught with a rod and reel. A tiny brown trout. Wasn't even hooked, just bit onto the feathers of my fly.
 

 
Largemouth bass, sunfish, and a wild brown trout all together. Hard to see because of the poor quality, but the trout is in the top right. Not something you see every day!!


 
And a bluegill x pumpkinseed hybrid? from my favorite wild brown and brook trout creek.

 
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 13:32:50 (permalink)
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Mine if I ask what creek that is? I don't want to spot burn though, so no offense taken if you don't want to post the name.

 
You'll have to message Captain or wait until he responds, since he targets other fish there and I'm not sure if he would want the creek mentioned or not. But I will say that those are lake-run suckers from another state.
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 14:18:18 (permalink)
  I have bought my old guy till death do I quit Fishing License this year. I have fished since I was a little guy in a crick for chubs and crabs, and I have targeted about everything that swims since.  I sure was surprised by the Quilback Carpsucker, I had never seen one before. And both taking a 1/4 0z Vib"e", and both had hooks in the mouth.
   My first thought was it might be an endangered species, second thought some invasive species.
   It amazes me you guys have experiences with them.
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 14:43:32 (permalink)
Amazing pictures Troutguy ! Never knew half these odd fish existed around here till you posted them, and I've been fishing since Moby****was a minnow !  
 
Took a minute but that spot is familiar .....a Log Perch Darter ? Grass Pickerel ? Stonecat Madtom ? A two inch Brownie ?
 
What the hell is next ? Crazy stuff but keep them coming were learning as we go !
 
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 14:49:09 (permalink)
This is the smaller of the two Quilbacks I caught. The wooden part of my gaff is 24" exactly.Attachments are not available: Download requirements not met  

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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 20:31:54 (permalink)
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This is the smaller of the two Quilbacks I caught. The wooden part of my gaff is 24" exactly.  


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I recognize the Quillback but is that a prehistoric fish laying beside it.  I don't believe I've ever seen (or caught) such a fish.
 
Congratulations on the Senior Fishing License Treesparrow, I became a member of "The Ole Coots Angler Club" last year and, I plan on getting my money's worth.
 
 
Ain't nothin like a big bucket of  and seeing some good pictures, keep em coming.

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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 21:13:17 (permalink)
Some of the oddballs and rarities I have pictures of.
 
20" 5# Chinook Salmon caught in 130 FOW in Erie off of Northeast. Aiming for a Coho to add to my lifelist this year!

 
30" 14# Freshwater Drum caught trolling in 50 FOW. Best fight I had all summer since a 16# Laker I caught back in May.

 
32" 21# Channel Catfish I caught from shore in Erie casting a 3/4 ounce Daredevle for Walleye.

 
14.5" Creek Chub. Probably would have been a state record if the PFBC kept track of Creek Chubs.

 
22" trophy White Sucker from two years ago. All of the other dozens of Whites that I've caught in this creek were no larger than 8".

 
My first Golden Redhorse, caught last summer in southeast Michigan.

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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/13 22:21:44 (permalink)
DM , Nice mix too ! That's the biggest Creek Chub I've ever seen ! Use to catch a ton of those Creek Chubs in Neshannock Creek many moons ago. Haven't fished it in years ...is it still loaded with Chubs in the Summer Troutguy ? The ones I caught were spotted up and had horns or nubs sticking out of their head. Tons of them , couldn't keep them off your line with small baits !
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/14 09:43:34 (permalink)
Divemaster that is by far the biggest Creek Chub I have ever seen. Many states have records for far more species than PA. When researching the Quilback I noticed a fella caught one just shy of his state record. PA has no listing for Quilback and also has no record for Burbot, or Creek Chub. They do keep record on some introduced species.
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Re: Any photos or stories about rare or odd looking fresh water fish caught ? 2016/02/14 10:56:04 (permalink)
Dang that's the biggest creek chub I've seen as well!! And one of the biggest white suckers I've ever seen too!!! Gotta give that monster cat and drum some love too......but that chinook is a dink lol. I have no room to talk though since I've never caught a salmon haha.
 
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Use to catch a ton of those Creek Chubs in Neshannock Creek many moons ago. Haven't fished it in years ...is it still loaded with Chubs in the Summer Troutguy ? The ones I caught were spotted up and had horns or nubs sticking out of their head. Tons of them , couldn't keep them off your line with small baits !



Yes and no. Many of the "chubs" people catch there are actually striped shiners. Neshannock has lots of em, and some big ones too. With that said, yeah it still has some big creek chubs as well as river chubs!! The river chubs on average are the larger of the 3, but I've seen some trophy creek chubs come out of Neshannock. Not as big as Divemaster's though.
 
All 3 get those "horns" on their heads especially during the spawn. I would post links from the PFBC's site, but the ODNR site has photos instead of drawings. I might have some on my computer of chubs from Neshannock.....
 
Creek Chub:  http://wildlife.ohiodnr.g...-index/fish/creek-chub
 
River Chub: http://wildlife.ohiodnr.g...-index/fish/river-chub
 
Striped Shiner: http://wildlife.ohiodnr.g...ex/fish/striped-shiner
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