Hobart121
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Erie Tribs
Hello all, this will be my first year fishing the erie tibs. Any advice for a novice steelheader? I'll mainly be fishing with fly rod and a center pin rig. Thanks for any advice!
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/16 00:05:19
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8 wt fly rod, tippet 2-5x depending on water clarity and fly size, find yourself a good emerald shiner pattern (i tie one with bead chain eyes, pearl diamond braid body, white marabou tail, pearl flashabou, and peacock herl), wooly buggers in black, white, purple, olive, sucker spawns, eggs, some nymphs ( in particular, stoneflies, prince nymphs, caddis', also look upthe miracle nymph). Also, get yourself a good pair of polarized sunglasses.
Familiarize yourself with the Walnut and Brandy Run (for Elk) usgs water gauges, as to what conditions data may represent. Ideally, I like water with a slight bit of a tint. This allows the fish to see your fly, while not giving it quite as much of an opportunity to evaluate it and turn away at the last second. This isnt to say you cant catch fish in low and clear conditions, however, in fact, most of my fishing over the years has been in low and clear conditions, realistically, if youre an out of towner, like me, you gotta take whatever your given, for the dates of your limited number of trips.
And, lots of great people on this website willing to help, dont take it personally if someone bashes you or messes with you, just a bit of fun. A few years back, it was almost impossible to post without starting a flame war with someone, but theyve done a great job of cleaning things up.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/16 02:01:42
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The bashing can't be any worse then the site I belonged to salmoncrazy. Things were way outta control on that site. On another note thanks for the advice.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/16 04:35:44
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AVOID CROWDS,try to find places and days when it's not so crowded,it's not easy.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/16 08:08:47
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JTFM summed it up pretty well.
You'll learn more each time you go up! Also remember, just cause you don't see fish... doesn't mean they're not there.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/16 08:52:17
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/16 09:49:23
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Been on salmoncrazy b4 this site has been worse at times not bad lately but its early yet.
Creeks are small here but fishing can be great if you figure out how to avoid the crowds.
Water goes up a down quickly pay attention to water gages and and what you see on the creeks makes it easier to plan in the future.
Plenty of guys using pin rods but they are not necessary a lightweight noodle is best way to go IMO.
Good luck...WCW
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Re: Erie Tribs
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/16 23:39:14
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I'm an out of towner too, and still consider myself in the learning stage, so I may not be the best source of information. I will say that what has been provided thus far is very good intel. Overall there is a ton of great information on this site and lots of helpful people. Some other things that will help you to get up to speed are downloading the maps that are available on this site: www.fisherie.com/Maps One note on the maps - use them as rough guidelines. I'm not sure how often they get updated and unfortunately each year more and more previously accessible water gets posted as private property. Just because the map says you can fish it, doesn't mean it is still allowed. This is a five part series, and I found it very helpful when learning about the Erie Steelhead Experience: http://dharmaofthedrift.blogspot.com/2010/09/lake-erie-steelhead-fishing-primer-part.html Uncle John's Webcam is fun to look at during the season for water levels, snowfall, and ice buildup: www.unclejohnselkcreekcamp.com/webcam-3 Hope you find some of this useful. Good luck and keep hanging around here. Lots to learn by osmosis.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/17 00:24:19
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Get a copy or find a copy at the library of A Steelhead Guide by John Nagy, the greatest steelhead fisherman in the world ever. Any edition. There's been several. All you need to know, as far as fly fishing the Erie tribs.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/17 08:54:53
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Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~  Old fisherman never die; we just smell that way. 
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/17 09:18:38
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The power of the steelhead gods compels you 
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/17 10:36:38
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Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~ Old fisherman never die; we just smell that way.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/17 19:16:07
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johnthefisherman
find yourself a good emerald shiner pattern (i tie one with bead chain eyes, pearl diamond braid body, white marabou tail, pearl flashabou, and peacock herl),
You got a picture of this? Kind of interested, not the best tier so I like visual aid before I try a pattern
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/17 21:11:06
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johnthefisherman
find yourself a good emerald shiner pattern (i tie one with bead chain eyes, pearl diamond braid body, white marabou tail, pearl flashabou, and peacock herl), You got a picture of this? Kind of interested, not the best tier so I like visual aid before I try a pattern
 The top one is the pattern I was referring to, and under that is what it looks like when it gets wet (hence why I like marabou so much, it clumps together, and forms sort of a tail in the water, with great action). The one on the bottom is the crystal minnow by Don Dfishinfool Matthews, another great tie. I may put up a video of how I tie it on my youtube channel.
post edited by johnthefisherman - 2015/09/17 21:22:26
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/17 22:37:07
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I was having trouble trying to figure out where the ostrich was at, but that looks really good. What size do you normally tie them, I am guessing around a 6 or 8?
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Re: Erie Tribs
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/18 15:43:18
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I tie those on size 6-10 mustad streamer hooks generally. Also, you can use similarly sized nymph hooks if you are looking to add a bit more weight to the fly and get it down quicker without any split shot.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/18 19:58:44
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http://imgur.com/a/GPnbUDon't have flickr anymore so I just have to link it to another site, but I tried my hand at one, didn't have any pearl braid, so I used crystal chenille, thoughts?
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/18 20:42:43
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Very nicely done, the key is to create the greyish-blueish hue that the shiner has underwater, any material that does this will work
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/18 20:43:34
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kill3ducks1deer
johnthefisherman
find yourself a good emerald shiner pattern (i tie one with bead chain eyes, pearl diamond braid body, white marabou tail, pearl flashabou, and peacock herl),
You got a picture of this? Kind of interested, not the best tier so I like visual aid before I try a pattern
I tried...............honestly; I even bit my lip trying to keep my mouth shut buttttttttttttttttt, I can't do it!  I think it was the t-shirt that made me want to break my silence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n0ExmTLVys Hope it helps and yinz enjoy.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/18 21:37:55
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That is great, actually never seen that before.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/19 10:17:48
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☄ Helpfulby xXBeastFeesherManXx 2015/09/21 11:02:47
One of the reasons I troll these sights is for the vast knowledge about hunting and fishing. When I have gotten to the point where I cease to learn new ideas or even; refresh my memory than, it will be time to hang-up my boots. A loooooooong time ago I learned (from an ole timer) that ones memories will stay fresh if you are willing to pass on the knowledge learned from the past. As I read questions such as the one posed by 'Kill3ducks' it brings back the memories of the days when I would ask similar questions. Memories not only of tying a particular fly, memories of the people who would take the time to assist me, memories of that first cast using the fly I tied, memories of the trout streams and, rivers where I fished as a kid. Back in those days we had to run to the library, (if you weren't fortunate enough to have encyclopedias at home) or, wait for the neighbor or, a friends dad to take the time to answer a question about hunting and fishing. BUTTTTTTTT today.........!! TODAY we have the internet and, it's ask and you shall learn!  (and at your own speed too) I also believe in supporting those that give me an opportunity to use and learn from their sight; such as FISHUSA.  Now, I know a lot of my fan club members will be disappointed to hear this, "but I ain't no dad-burn expert",(  ) I just know where to find answers. (sorry fan dudes  ). I also know many people have problems navigating the internet so; posting a link having info I think will assist, is merely a way of me enjoying memories. So without further ado: http://www.fishusa.com/Demo-Videos Enjoy  PS. John if you have the capability of making a video; you should, those are nice looking ties. PSS. would this be considered "spot burning"? 
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2015/09/19 10:23:24
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/19 13:14:54
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BTDT - You can give all the spots and lures. But if you don't know what to do it wont help!
lol but thats some good how to vids. Might make a couple of those to try.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/19 19:53:18
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Dont knock high water. I know personally how good it can produce. . Growing up in washington state i learned that if the water is alittle muddy and a little high the fish become more aggresive.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/21 11:07:16
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BeenThereDoneThat.
One of the reasons I troll these sights is for the vast knowledge about hunting and fishing. When I have gotten to the point where I cease to learn new ideas or even; refresh my memory than, it will be time to hang-up my boots.
A loooooooong time ago I learned (from an ole timer) that ones memories will stay fresh if you are willing to pass on the knowledge learned from the past. As I read questions such as the one posed by 'Kill3ducks' it brings back the memories of the days when I would ask similar questions. Memories not only of tying a particular fly, memories of the people who would take the time to assist me, memories of that first cast using the fly I tied, memories of the trout streams and, rivers where I fished as a kid.
Back in those days we had to run to the library, (if you weren't fortunate enough to have encyclopedias at home) or, wait for the neighbor or, a friends dad to take the time to answer a question about hunting and fishing.
BUTTTTTTTT today.........!! TODAY we have the internet and, it's ask and you shall learn! (and at your own speed too)
I also believe in supporting those that give me an opportunity to use and learn from their sight; such as FISHUSA.
Now, I know a lot of my fan club members will be disappointed to hear this, "but I ain't no dad-burn expert",() I just know where to find answers. (sorry fan dudes). I also know many people have problems navigating the internet so; posting a link having info I think will assist, is merely a way of me enjoying memories.
So without further ado: http://www.fishusa.com/Demo-Videos
Enjoy
PS. John if you have the capability of making a video; you should, those are nice looking ties.
PSS. would this be considered "spot burning"?
I just wanted to point out how much some of us "trainee's" appreciate informative post/replies like that above. BeenThereDoneThat - You the Man! Thanks and fish on my friend! 
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/21 14:02:30
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One of my favorite memories on erie water was at my waste at Manchester hole standing on the ledge . But it was green not muddy . Me and my dad pitched wooly worms on fly rods and the fish were striking so hard they kept breaking our 6lb Tippet like it was thread .
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/21 21:06:55
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Muddy and green are two different things, muddy water is very hard to fish for just about any species, green water is killer for catching fish, hides you and your line and the fish are very active.
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Re: Erie Tribs
2015/09/22 00:08:45
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Ain't no doubt about green water................ unless, your fishin where signs are posted warning about toxic algae blooms. Which, really isn't so bad because, it keeps those old hairy guys with the big motors pullin screamin kids on a rubber replica of the Loch Ness Monster, off the water. Sorry, that rant sneaked up on me.  Anyway, the green water rule (been around longer then most old hairy guys) stands true on streams, criks and, rivers of all sizes. BeastFeesher, I appreciate the flowers, and happy to hear you find the info useful. Tight lines
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2015/09/22 00:49:55
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I know that . Fished coffee colored as well and caught fish on streamers . Just randomly dropped something down . This thread has struck my funny bone and my memories , lol I'm not old but erie was so much better in the days of the pigpen and before . Still cant beat the beauty God blessed erie for that for sure
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