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2015/05/04 09:41:10 (permalink)

QUestion for Pulaski guys

Do any of you know of a well driller who might be able to sink one up at happy camp?
I believe the water table is about 6ft down there and will probably require a casing....we just want to be able to run water to the campers for flushing and showers.
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    dimebrite2
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/04 09:57:35 (permalink)
    Dave Rowe drills wells.. Bear not so sure myself, but dug wells may be outlawed... If not I can dig up to 9' ;)
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/04 10:48:55 (permalink)
    Well, we wouldn't want to do anything illegal, thanks for the contact dime.
     

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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/04 11:14:00 (permalink)
    No prob, has to be 100 ft Minimum From leach field also
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/04 11:38:45 (permalink)
    no leach field, no sewage...so, no problem
     

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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/04 13:01:19 (permalink)
    hey dime, i could use a hole dug  :)

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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/04 13:23:02 (permalink)
    ;)
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/04 21:00:47 (permalink)
    Here is who we use.
    http://www.nywelldriller.org/companydisplay.asp?CompanyKey=602
    American Auger. 10 years ago it was $1500 for 50 feet (minimum charge) and I think $10 a foot after. I am sure it has gone up. They drill not pound.

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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/04 21:30:49 (permalink)
    That's a deal and a half for sure! Gotta watch in Altmar going too deep though. Clint, those same guys drilled a geothermal well in downtown for a job I was on. I've heard differing views on pounding vs. Drilling though. Ours was drilled about 10 years ago and didn't hit water even at 130 foot. Took a high pressure burst of air To open the veins. Not sure if we got hosed or not, but was told by a few other people that a pounder would've revealed the veins much earlier. Of course being so deep the water is sulfury :P
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/04 21:58:37 (permalink)
    Just can't help myself when a question or a problem is posed.  I know somewhere in my set of "Encyclopedia Britannica's"  (1950 edition)  there will be a answer that might just help someone out.  
     
    Darned if I didn't find sumpthin that might be worth takin' to the head for sum readin material.
     
    For anyone wishing to save a few bucks by drillin your own well:
    http://www.drillyourownwe...-real-well-driller.htm

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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/04 22:21:36 (permalink)
    My dad has done a few like in the link in the soft sand and extremely shallow water table in sw fl. I'd be surprised if that would be a viable solution up north. Likely get stopped by a big rock in just a few feet.
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/05 07:02:45 (permalink)
    I briefly though about driving points too, but I think it is too rocky and water is too deep up here I think
     

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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/05 07:30:28 (permalink)
    Last year in late may I was able to hit water in my back yard in 18" of hand dug earth. I have two wells in my backyard and which one is a dug well line with Rock original to the house and another one that is about 30 foot deep that was a shallow Drilled well. but yes it is very hit or miss up here, and I am only a few miles from the big lake. fishing guy you are correct with the big rocks as of about 10 years ago we triEd a Dug well out in town of albion /altmar, and we hit huge rocks about six foot down. they were wet with water running over them but not deep enough for our needs
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/07 19:44:32 (permalink)
    Do you think last year is the start of something, that being a late run?  I am thinking of delaying my visit till Columbus Day.  
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/08 06:24:45 (permalink)
    I have a driven point in my basement, but am also hooked into town water. They are very common in my area, but we sit on a large strata of sand and gravel. This geo-feature  extends over into Saratoga County and the Home Despot actually sold the pipe, drive couplings and points for driven wells. I'd be leery of E.coli and chemical contaminants getting into the shallow aquifer. 
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/08 07:30:47 (permalink)
    If there is no leach field, where does the "flush and showers" go?  I don't recall a sewage treatment plant in Altmar.  Unless you have a holding tank and pay someone to pump when it gets full.....
     
    Check the Oswego County Sanitary Code on well requirements, whether the driller needs to be certified, all the little details that are a lot cheaper to deal with in advance than to fix later. Also be aware that the property line is irrelevant to distances from waste disposal systems, it is what else is nearby and up gradient, and despite the rural character of Altmar, where you are is fairly dense.  This is one where a call to the Health Department could be very helpful, as they may be able to tell you where you can dig, and where the best site is, and may know about all the other utilities in the area.
     
    2B pointed out your "compound" to me on a ride through a couple of years ago>
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/08 13:29:46 (permalink)
    I have seen more than one 55 gallon septic. Heck the one at our farm wad an old Buick with the Windows rolled up for close to 50 years. Just got it replaced 10 years ago. With neighbors and codes now L is right though.

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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/09 10:18:59 (permalink)
    Standard on parts of Irondequoit Bay (and all the other bays) and up in a the 'daks for years was a cedar box, but they don't meet any code anymore, and you are not doing the river or any other water body nearby any favors.  When you see all the dark green cladophora growing on  the rocks and all the fine black sediment  accumulating in the slow spots, a lot of these old systems, which are not much better than straight pipes, are part of that problem.  At least in the 'daks, the predominant soil is sand, unlike the till on the hill and surroundings.     
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/10 07:23:32 (permalink)
    Lucky the sediment and cladorpha seem to get worse and worse... Ispeaking of water quality, i've actually got a question for you I've been meaning to ask you about: Eel treatment is the subject. What are your thoughts??? To my knowledge it is a newer practice in the past ten years. I've noticed this river getting scummier and scummier as they do it each summer. A few years back there was that few thousand breeder walleyes in sandy pond that died from the treatment. I've noticed browns and smallies die from it on the salmon and smaller fingerlings vanish from sight after their treatment The river is real scummy after they do their annual treatment. Thoughts please :)
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/10 12:11:21 (permalink)
    The compound is specific if applied very carefully and conditions stay static.  But things sometimes go awry and there are some ancillary negatives.  The alternative, in relation to the fishery, is not pretty, could devastate the Lake trout fishery and put another serious dent in the salmon, brown and atlantic populations .  I even watched a gull pick one off a steelhead two falls ago in the riff going up out of the staircases. 
     
    I did not think they did any of the tributaries every year, but maybe they hit the Salmon harder due to the large numbers of returning fish.
     
    The algae and turbidity have to do with increased use of the watershed surrounding the river: aging of the infrastructure, 55 gallon or older steel tank systems, or systems not maintained (expected life of an onsite wastewater treatment system is 20-25 years), all those Amish horses pooping all over the road, more active dairy, new construction, and just more people disposing of nutrient containing by-products of life in Steelhead Paradise.  Pretty soon the camel is carrying a lot of extra straws!
     
    Once the crowds hit town in the fall, you used to be able to see the effluent coming out of the Pulaski Waste Water Treatment Plant sometimes (the discharge is about 3/4 of the way down the Black Hole.  I know they did a lot of upgrading, but the population swells considerably in the fall.  And NYS is the Greek Yogurt Capital of the World now, all those extra cows gotta go sometime (all the time!) and the manure generally ends up spread on a field some place.     
    post edited by Lucky13 - 2015/05/10 12:22:03
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/11 09:11:34 (permalink)
    I have it rigged for gray water Sink and shower to go to a holding tank and use it for watering the flowers.
    The black water (toilet) goes to an internal holding tank that will be pumped and disposed of by a waste company.

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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/11 10:41:11 (permalink)
    Lucky I remember when 13 started to really get built up with rite aid, Kinney, the new PNC which is now topps along with widening the road and various other structures. Now Byrne dairy and fx caprara... Always was disappointed to see stuff getting built up. Now all of the cabins and new homes... Talk of a 50+ unit for retired folks out on Hinman... The country is diminishing for sure. I always expressed sorrow for the water sheds where I grew up and how they were depleted entirely from development with no holds barred. Its a sad reality for sure. The eel kill has always concerned me though.that water gets nasty after they do it.
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/11 10:58:51 (permalink)
    Bear it was great to finally meet up with ya this weekend!!!
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/11 12:36:05 (permalink)
    The thing I miss most is C&M
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/11 13:22:20 (permalink)
    I second that R3G3. Always some good chow
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/12 07:22:34 (permalink)
    I don't know, 2B and I had some of the worst food we have ever eaten at C+M.  It was our sense that the locals stopped going there in Late August and stayed away until after Salmon Season, as the owner switched to the lowest price ingredients he could find.  We do miss Frick and Frack, down 11 a short distance from the Collasse cheese store.  Not going to get written up in "Gourmet", but righteous food at righteous prices, and open very early.
     
    Bear, why not just set up a rain barrel for collection with a small tank and a hand pump to move the water from the barrel up to the feed tank?   You would still have to haul water in the winter, but for a simple system like you are describing, a well will have considerable costs when the pump and feed are included and will likely have to be dropped for the winter anyway.
    post edited by Lucky13 - 2015/05/12 07:24:35
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/12 08:19:03 (permalink)
    Great to meet you finally dime :)
     

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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/12 08:51:13 (permalink)
    My biggest qualm with the diner being gone is the light that it casts in the sky. Now fx caprara took it to a whole new level of straight up light pollution. And even now off the rural tinker tavern exit which has no commercial businesses, the tail water has put up a big billboard with two bright lights shining up in the sky. :(
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/12 15:46:11 (permalink)
      Just found out a buddy of mine won the spring derby 24. 9 lbs salmon. He's 15,500 richer well not quite uncle sam will be taking his cut.
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    Re: QUestion for Pulaski guys 2015/05/12 18:30:10 (permalink)
    Great to hear!!! Decent sized fish... Has this thread beaten out the weather thread for BS??? Lol!!!
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