how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks?

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2014/09/28 15:58:36 (permalink)

how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks?

With the water tables being so low. How much would the creek be affected with 1" of rain spread out over 24 hrs? How much rain do we need?
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/28 19:41:34 (permalink)
    I have not been out to the creeks since spring.
    That being said it sounds like some fish are in the creeks.
    I live 20 miles from elk/walnut and it is drier now than it has been all year.
    The creeks go up and down quickly 1" of rain will make for some good fishing for a short while but need more for overall conditions.
    If it rains 1 " fish next day or wait for more rain...WCW
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/28 21:16:09 (permalink)
    Im just wondering how much rain we need over a given amount of days.... at this rate it seems we could have a solid week of rain and they might be up to normal.
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/29 08:43:10 (permalink)
    It done might bring the creeks up enough to get another run in (lots of fish at mouths waiting to enter). And, the usual lower holes of creeks have fish in them, but they're the same ones that have been there for awhile waiting to move. 

    But the creeks would be down to a low, clear flow within a day or two depending on which creek. 

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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/29 17:48:57 (permalink)
    Erie Trib Maxim:  Creek water does not come from the sky. Creek water comes from the ground. 1 inch might give a spike of water and color. But until the leaves are off the trees and the grass is dead you will not see any consistent water level in the creeks.
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/29 17:51:13 (permalink)
    steelie85
    With the water tables being so low. How much would the creek be affected with 1" of rain spread out over 24 hrs? How much rain do we need?



    It'd bring Walnut up to about 250 CFS +/- 50, for a few hours probably.  Enough to get some fish upstream in Elk, and maybe some good runs into some of the smaller streams.  Still a lotta green out there.  Even big rains won't do much for long term conditions until the leaves fall and the grass dies.  When the flora stops retaining so much of the water that falls as rain, sustained higher flows in streams happen.  When snow accumulates and melts slowly and steadily, sustained color stays in the streams.  
     
     
     
     
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/29 18:28:36 (permalink)
    I can tell ya I was up there sunday plenty of fish in lower walnut and elk but getting them to bite that's a different story. Some guys on elk were hooking up on the fly rods. Lots of fish near the mouths in the lake ready to make a run also.
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/29 19:49:25 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info guys. Really helpful post. I keep looking at the forecast. Doesnt look good until maybe... friday for any consideral amount of rain
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/30 08:40:01 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the info guys. Really helpful post. I keep looking at the forecast. Doesnt look good until maybe... friday for any consideral amount of rain



    How far away are ya steelie?  There are lots of sources out there about conditions in Erie, some more reliable than others, and all of them indicate that good fishing can be had right now, even with the low creek levels.  Probably won't catch 'em drifting egg sacs through the Manchester or Legion Hole, but if you switch it up a little bit and fish where there IS water, sounds like things are pretty good.  
     
    Point is, if you wanna go fishing, and you have the time and the means to go fishin, go fishin!  Always fun to figger out a new way to fool a critter with a brain the size of a pea.  
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/30 10:44:54 (permalink)
    its pouring right now in lake city......game on!!!!!!!
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/30 10:53:05 (permalink)
    HERE COME DA RAIN!!.......... HERE COME DA RAIN!!

    Hope it's enough to kick the season into high-gear. B-)

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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/30 10:59:39 (permalink)
    Im about three hours away but fish up there regularly. I just go later in october whe the fish are spread out. I know the creeks have to be up a bit. So thats why i asked how much rain right now. Would effect the creeks.
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/09/30 14:40:57 (permalink)
    Sorry to say, it doesn't look like the rain they done got up there today budged the gauges much at all. 

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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/10/02 12:14:20 (permalink)
    I'm a simple man. Bright lights and loud noises confuse me. Some days it rains some days it doesn't, that's how it seems to be. Guessing 1 inch of rain would equal a small amount of surface run off and that's about it.

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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/10/02 21:43:33 (permalink)
    Need more than 1" over several weeks to bring the tribs up to a sustainable level. What is needed is an event of tropical proportions.

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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/10/02 23:38:24 (permalink)
    I love fishing in the rain. Thins out the lightweights
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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/10/03 08:19:50 (permalink)
    Correct me if I am wrong but, is it not the temperature of the water that fires off the spawn? Do these fish not stage prior to migration as the water nears that temperature. Won't these fish, all but, get out of the water and walk to their spawning beds once pre-spawn ?migration begins? Is the prime water temperature for these fish to spawn somewhere around 48 degrees F.? Is it the 'amount' of water you need to increase or the 'temperature' of the water you need to decrease?

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    Re: how much would 1" of rain affect the creeks? 2014/10/03 17:32:11 (permalink)
    BeenThereDoneThat.
    Correct me if I am wrong but, is it not the temperature of the water that fires off the spawn? 



    Seems like you've been there and have done that a few times.  
     
    IMHO, you can do all the rain dances you want and these late September and early October rains will spread out the early runners and make it a little easier to get a drift going through a run.  Usually brings in some new ones too.
     
    But I still maintain that early to mid-November through early December is the time when you'll see the highest concentrations of slimers in the cricks.  
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