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2010/07/07 11:26:46 (permalink)

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Poaching bill passed the Senate on Saturday. Unlawfully killing game in PA soon to be no longer a summary offense. The bill has been watered down over the years, but it's better than what we had.


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Hi Senators,

I hope the poaching bill is on its way through to becoming law. I've found a few bucks last year with their heads cut off in RR state forest in central PA. In working with the local WCO, we ended up getting the guy for possession of two bucks. Problem is, the fine is just a slap on the wrist as it stands now. He'll be at it again this year I'm sure until his wallet takes a hit or till he's thrown in jail.


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Mr. G,

If you haven’t heard, this bill unanimously passed the Senate last week and is waiting to be signed into law by the Governor. I agree that it is long overdue.

Best regards,

John E


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    redneck steel
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    RE: We are there 2010/07/07 19:13:48 (permalink)
    About time!!
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    RE: We are there 2010/07/07 20:10:59 (permalink)
    +1

    Thanks for the update SK!

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    RE: We are there 2010/07/09 20:32:30 (permalink)
    If Rendell signs this, it will be the singular thing he's done right in his entire time as governor. I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
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    RE: We are there 2010/07/11 22:45:22 (permalink)
    It is signed.
     
     
    Release #072-10
    July 9, 2010
    For Information Contact:
    Jerry Feaser717-705-6541
    PGCNews@state.pa.us GAME COMMISSION PRAISES ENACTMENT OF BILL TO PROTECT WILDLIFE   HARRISBURG – Pennsylvania Game Commission Executive Director Carl G. Roe today offered his praise to Governor Edward G. Rendell, House Game and Fisheries Committee Chairman Edward G. Staback (D-Lackawanna) and the General Assembly for enactment of a bill that will protect wildlife by cracking down on poaching. House Bill 1859, sponsored by Rep. Staback to increase penalties and fines for poaching committed against Pennsylvania wildlife, was signed into law today by Gov. Rendell.
    “Increasing penalties for serious violations is one of the operational objectives within the Pennsylvania Game Commission's Strategic Plan, and we welcome enactment of House Bill 1859,” Roe said.  “This marks the first comprehensive piece of legislation to increase Game and Wildlife Code penalties since 1987, and we believe it will significantly enhance wildlife protection in the Commonwealth. 
    “There is widespread public support for increasing in fines and penalties as indicated by surveys that showed 96 percent of Pennsylvania’s citizens feel that wildlife protection is a vitally important function.”
    Roe said that the causes of poaching vary, but the myth that most poachers are committing their offenses to provide food for their families is, in reality, almost never the case. 
    “Most often, poaching today is committed by criminals driving $30,000 vehicles, using expensive night-vision technology, illegal silencers and firearms,” Roe said. “Most commonly, the causes are simply greed, obsessive behavior in collecting antlers; in some cases poachers take great pride in their infamous status in local communities.  A disturbing and increasingly common cause is killing simply for thrill with no intention of making use of any part of the animal.”
    House Bill 1859 passed the House by a vote of 196 to 3 on July 21, and was unanimously approved by the Senate on July 3.  After a concurrence vote of 189 to 6 in the House, on July 3, it was sent to Gov. Edward G. Rendell.  The bill will become law in 60 days.   #    #    #

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    RE: We are there 2010/07/12 09:06:10 (permalink)
    Now the PGC needs to make the law VERY, VERY public in as many forums in the media as it can in order to drive the point home.

    The poster formally known as Duncsdad

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    RE: We are there 2010/07/12 14:13:04 (permalink)
    "Larry" better watch is arse now....

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    RE: We are there 2010/07/12 14:24:58 (permalink)
    Moe too. Already got Curley.


    It was in the paper today I hear.

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    RE: We are there 2010/07/14 11:49:34 (permalink)



    It's infuriating.

    In York County, a teenage bowhunter driving down a back road spots a monster buck. It's seven days before archery season but he stalks the 16-point trophy and kills it.

    At least four legitimate hunters had been scouting and hunting the deer lawfully over several years and local landowners loved seeing the magnificent animal.

    In the Poconos, the body of a 600-pound black bear is found dumped in a game lands parking lot two months before bear season. The bear, around 7 years old, had been shot in the head.

    Both of these acts of poaching happened last September. Both are despicable. And now, finally, we will soon have penalties on the books that just might make "thrill killers" and commercial poachers think before robbing the rest of us of natural resources.

    Gov. Ed Rendell on Friday signed a tough new poaching law that's been two years in the making and brings Pennsylvania's heretofore lightweight penalties into line with most other states.

    "It's no longer Mickey Mouse penalties. The average guy who is thinking about shooting a deer at night will think twice," says state Rep. Ed Staback of Lackawanna County, who captained the bill through sometimes rough seas.

    "This new law will treat these shooters like the serious criminals they are."

    For example, someone illegally jacklighting a deer or shooting one out of season will soon get at least a $1,000 fine &tstr; up from the current $200 to $300 &tstr; and possibly face up to a year in jail.

    Shooting other big game, or more than one deer, will now be at least misdemeanor crimes, rather than parking-ticket type offenses, and in some cases felonies.

    For the first time, jail time comes with the most heinous poaching crimes and convicted shooters will lose hunting privileges not just for a year or two, but in blocks of five and ten years at a time.

    Staback, who had pushed for even tougher fines and penalties than found in the bill's final version, sees a disturbing acceleration in "thrill kills," and thinks commercial poachers who deal in the black market trade for bear organs have been targeting Pennsylvania's prolific bear population because of nickel-ante penalties.

    "Before, you could kill every whitetail deer in the state and only face a summary offense," he said. "Too many are willing to write off fines as a cost of doing business and have brazenly told wildlife conservation officers to their face that they will be back."

    "Taking of wildlife illegally is theft," Staback said. "It not only gives a black eye to our sport, it takes opportunities away from hunters and those who view wildlife, as well as depletes the population of Pennsylvania's outdoor resources."

    The Pennsylvania Game Commission, which had strong input in shaping the bill throughout, praised its passage.

    The myth that most poachers are killing game to feed families is almost never the case, said Carl Roe, the agency's executive director.

    "Most often, poaching today is committed by criminals driving $30,000 vehicles, using expensive night-vision technology, illegal silencers and firearms," he said. "Most commonly, the causes are simply greed, obsessive behavior in collecting antlers.

    "In some cases, poachers take great pride in their infamous status in local communities. A disturbing and increasingly common cause is killing simply for thrill with no intention of making use of any part of the animal."

    The bill also took some of the officers' discretion out of mistaken kills.

    A deer that is shot and turns out not to meet antler requirements, or a second turkey shot accidentally, for example, will be treated as a mistaken kill with a processing fee paid, but no chance of the hunter later being socked with a "negligent" kill decision by a wildlife conservation officer and a stiffer fine.

    In the end, the bill received the blessings of a broad range of sportsmen's organizations and the National Rifle Association, as well as an unlikely ally in The Humane Society of the United States, which usually sits on the opposite side of the fence on hunting issues.

    Staback, however, found fault with the NRA when it sought &tstr; and succeeded &tstr; to water down some of the penalties for not reporting mistaken kills and a penalty of lifetime losses of firearms for poaching incidents.

    Such seizures, the NRA felt, violated one's "constitutional right to bear arms." Staback is an NRA member.

    The anti-poaching bill will become law in 60 days from July 9.

    Another bill awaiting movement in the legislature is one that would make Pennsylvania a member of the 34-state Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact.

    If Pennsylvania joins, poachers that lose their hunting privileges in the state would not be allowed to hunt in other member states, as well.

    •••

    The two poaching cases mentioned at the top of this story, in addition to stating the case for stronger crackdowns, are interesting in their own right as detective cases.

    For example, in the case of the York County 16-point buck, an outraged community stepped forward and helped put York County WCO Chad Eyler and deputy WCO Robert Simmonds on the trail of Eugene Sponseller Jr,. 19, of East Berlin.

    Sponseller claimed to have killed the trophy class buck during the open archery season in Lycoming County.

    But what sealed the poacher's fate was a West Manchester Township policeman who brought Eyler a set of 14-point antler sheds that were found in early 2009 about 1 mile from where the 16-point buck was believed killed.

    Members of the Pennsylvania Deer Association paid to have the DNA from both sets of antlers analyzed at the Northeast Wildlife DNA Laboratory.

    That proved the antlers came from the same deer.

    Sponseller was found guilty of various charges and was fined $1,100 and ordered to pay $5,000 in replacement costs.

    The 16-pointer scored just shy of 176 and would have ranked 16th-best in Pennsylvania in 2009 for a nontypical buck by bow.

    The whole experience made Eyler proud.

    "All these entities came together and said, 'No, this is not right.' This is the perfect example of the abuse of our resources."

    In the bear-poaching incident in Wayne County, the case likely would not have been cracked except for a serendipitous event.

    A month after the 600-pound bruin was found dumped in a game lands parking lot, Lehigh Township police officers stopped Raymond Carl Kresge Sr. of Gouldsboro for driving without a license.

    They happened to notice bear hair on the bumper and contacted the regional office of the Pennsylvania Game Commission.

    DNA testing of the hair proved it was from the dumped bear.

    Kresge Sr., 66, and his son, Carl Kresge, 40. have been charged with killing the bear.


    http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/265593


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    RE: We are there 2010/07/15 12:11:31 (permalink)
    Glad to see it finally passed.

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    RE: We are there 2010/08/09 12:45:13 (permalink)

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    RE: We are there 2010/08/09 16:02:51 (permalink)
    Found this line comical...
     
    Some well-known poachers (they drive buggies) kill a great deal of deer annually. Of course, they consume and harvest almost every inch of the deer, but nobody really knows how many deer they actually kill. They aren't going to report it, so it's tough to know what effect those kills may have on future herds.
     
     
     
    They still have to catch them...The pros will still beat the system... Larry E. has been running circles around them for 20 years...He has a wall of shame that are some of the largest whitetails in western PA....
     
    Wish he could do 90 days for every buck he's taken at night with his IR scope....

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    RE: We are there 2010/08/09 16:34:39 (permalink)
    The penalties described in that article are not the same as those given when described by our local WCO.

    Better too far back, than too far forward.
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    RE: We are there 2010/08/11 00:13:12 (permalink)
    Pretty comical line I'd say bings.  I know you don't like those guys.    In years of heavy acorn drop, the dutchman hammer the deer where I hunt.  No way they can count points with a buck running thru some of that laurel. 
     
    I don't believe the first fine is at least $1,000.   The bill certainly was watered down in the past few years MM.  NRA got the 'confiscating the tool' part out because they said it was an infringement on the second amendment.  While true, history says the major poachers greatest fear is losing their guns.   Some hunters didn't even support the watered down version because HSUS supported it.  The bill is better than what we had.  Next up the wildlife compact, hopefully.  Bills always seem to get passed in election year. 

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