waders/orvis

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2007/08/16 08:25:00 (permalink)

waders/orvis

I returned my five year old breathable waders to orvis. they were not ripped they just leaked. Orvis offered a 20% discount on another pair and said mine were of no worth to repair. that is where i questioned their committment to their product.
  • should i accept wader failure after five years?
  • should orvis stand behind their product a little more(new waders)?
  • how long should breathable waders last? approx. 60 fishing trips a year

 
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    Bowhunter
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 08:33:52 (permalink)
    I'd love to get 5 years out of my waders.  I fish over 100 days a year and 60 is a lot more than most anglers.  If the waders were worn-out I don't think you can complain.  Seems leaking after a year is a different story.
    How long do your hunting clothes last in the outdoors? 
    I don't believe a company should be held responsible if you wear something out in a reasonable time. 
     
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 08:34:42 (permalink)
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          I returned a pair after 1 year and got 100% refund.  I know of a guy who returned a pair after 2 years and got 50%.  So given 20% per year, and the number of times you have used them, that seems pretty fair.  I have had breathables that didn't even last 1 year with NO warranty.  Heck I think you got excellent return.  5 years! ! I have had cheap ones fail after 5 hours.  Thats why I stepped up.

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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 08:47:08 (permalink)
    No one should expect breathables to last forever.  All breathables will fail at some point if they are used enough.  5 years is pretty good.  Orvis stand behind their products better than most.
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 09:34:13 (permalink)
    maxdog,
     
    Do they leak in the neoprene booties or elsewhere?

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    maxdog8
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 10:20:18 (permalink)
    no, i looked at the usual places for leaks like the booties and seams. I was getting water on the front of my thigh and legs, really it's as if the material just gave up. When i turned them inside out to dry, you can see the material just looks like its dissappearing/thinning/worn out. the booties filled up and actually held the water in last time i wore them. I agree that five years is good and i blame myself(karma) for bragging about the life to my buddies. I'm still questioning weather a company should say "yes, they wore out, our waders don't last forever" that doesn't sound like what i'd expect from orvis.
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 11:29:36 (permalink)
    Can't complain if you got 5 years out of them. I wish I could. Buying new waders is just part of fishing, if you don't put a hole in them now & again, you are fishing to close to a bridge or pull off. Walk a little bit and explore.
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 12:46:34 (permalink)
    Speakin of orvis .. they are having a huge sale (shocker).
     
    You can get a T3 for $300 if that's your fancy.
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 15:49:16 (permalink)
    You would cry if i told you my price on that rod!
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 16:18:27 (permalink)
    I don't see a complaint to be had at 60 days per year for 5 years.  At 10 hours per day that's something like 3000 hours.
     
    I think you got a refreshingly honest answer from Orivs in that the waders were worn to repair.  You said yourself that they were very worn.  Personally, an honest answer is much more appealing to me than the standard positive spin everyone puts on everything today.  Offering 20% off on a new pair seems like a very nice thank you for buying Orvis and please buy again with us.
     
    You even said you bragged to your friends that your waders lasted so long.  That would indicate to me that you were satisfied with the 5 years but you were hoping squeak something for free and you didn't get what you took a shot at.
     
    I'm not tryin' to beat you up or hack at ya.  I'm just thinking that you are contradicting yourself a bit.  I'm also OK with contradicting yourself too, I do it all the time.  I tell my family all the time, "It's different when I do it"
     
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 16:41:41 (permalink)
    Go get a pair of Simms.my booties leaked they  replaced them for  $50.00
    just like new again .
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 17:36:31 (permalink)
    You hit the nail on the head cr500. I knew it but there's that little bit of question still there. Why not 5000 hr waders?  The bragging to friends was more of them complaining when theirs leaked so soon after purchase. I have watched them return them to cabelas for full replacement. I'll probably go with cabelas just to try something different. JEB could not have been further offf the mark. I walk quite a bit and fish many different places. each time i see the green briars"wader eaters", i take my time and work through them. we always joke "WHat are we huntin rabbits or fishin". still, they did hold up great.
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 19:18:54 (permalink)
    5 years out of a pair of orvis waders is outstanding.  My wife and I both used Orvis waders exclusively for years, but we never got more than one season out of a pair.  Orvis always replaced them for me, but I got sick and tired of never knowing when I would get wet.
     
    We both threw out our orvis waders 2 years ago and now she uses dan bailey and I use simms.  Both have held up so far without any problem, and they are both more breathable than the orvis ones were.

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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 19:19:29 (permalink)
    I got a t3 9' 6 wt 4 piece once for $237 brand new.    Sold it but it was nice.
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 19:54:34 (permalink)
    5 years.......I never got more than one season out of a pair of Orvis breathables.......I replaced them 3 years in a row before I said.....please give me whatever money you will give me for them............they gave me 100% face value......I purchased a pair of SIMMS.....got the bootie changed out...........and 475 dollars later.........I am happy as could be..........going on 4 or 5 years with these waders, granted I now have a family with a career type job, so days are on the water are slim to none.......
     
    orivs warranty was great..........a new pair of waders every year for 8 bucks...........but I got really tired of the same leak in every pair........the seam in the neoprene foot would always leak..................so, 5 years and they are gonna give 20 %........seems like a pretty good deal to me.............
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 19:58:38 (permalink)
    If you think about what makes breathables breathable???  We are really pushing the envelope of performance.  Just like high modulus rods.  A microns thick membrane to make the waders breathable versus thick rubber or 3mm's of neoprene.  Push the performance envelope and durability has to suffer by definition.
     
    I'd buy a pair of breathables every other year instead if the most durable 3mm's without a complaint.  I wouldn't buy the low or mid-level Cabelas, mine and other's have kind of delaminated after a season.  I have a pair of Patagonia's I love these days.
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 22:23:59 (permalink)
    Breathable waders will always be a crapshoot.  All I know is every pair out there will leak some eventually.  i personally  have a pair of the original Orvis Pro Guides and they definitely have had a decent amount of Aqua Seal applied to them.  They've lasted almost 5 seasons and now they are a backup pair to the Orvis Tailwater XT's which I feel are the most comfortable waders I've ever tried on.  I guess Orvis has a newer version of the Pro Guide in the works soon.

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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 22:36:11 (permalink)
    If you found a brand of breathable waders that lasted for 300 fishing trips, I'd buy the same waders again if they are still made.  In my experience,that's oustanding. I"d be at the 20% discount on new waders.
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 22:39:07 (permalink)
    I'm just glad to hear allot of you guys seem to have as much bad luck with breathables as I do, I just thought it was my fat rear that caused all the problems.
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/16 22:41:57 (permalink)
    Still,
     
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/17 04:59:06 (permalink)
    Yeah, I know. I'm hoping these will make a difference.
     
    http://www.bigcamo.com/Columbia-Breathable-River-Light-Big-Tall-Wader.php
     
    The only fat duud breathables made unless you want custom made waders.  At least if I wear these out in 3 months it won't cost $400 to replace them.
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    RE: waders/orvis 2007/08/17 07:25:32 (permalink)
    I bought a pair of cabelas top of the line 3 years ago and this year noticed just a slight dampness in one leg. Am thinking of going to a tougher neapream for duck and steel.

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