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Elephant Fish--Picture Should Work Now - 11/4/2009 9:30:05 AM   
wishfishin

 

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A reverse kype?


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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 9:35:45 AM   
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Status: online 		Well, dang, trying a different method of posting a pic but not working.  Sorry about that.  Will try old way--pic of deformed fish with "reverse kype"

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 9:45:13 AM   
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do you have any crocodile gobies?

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 10:01:02 AM   
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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 10:03:30 AM   
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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 10:13:30 AM   
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He must have come into Walnut during a storm, and hit the wall


agreed, surfing those waves can be dangerous

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 10:18:53 AM   
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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 10:40:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		looks like a fish that got snagged by a treble hook last year!

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RE: Elephant Fish--Picture Should Work Now - 11/4/2009 10:52:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow thats the second one I've seen like that . Caught one like that last week wasn't that badly malformed but ugly. It came in like a log ; took me about 5 seconds to dislodge the hook while the fish NEVER left the water , released it and had to chase it downstream for a 1/4 mile to recapture it ( belly up ) . I tried to revive it for about 5 minutes in fast water but no good . Gave it to a fella at legion lot LMAO I wouldn't eat anything that messed up. Did yours revive ?

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RE: Elephant Fish--Picture Should Work Now - 11/4/2009 11:19:30 AM   
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Wow thats the second one I've seen like that . Caught one like that last week wasn't that badly malformed but ugly. It came in like a log ; took me about 5 seconds to dislodge the hook while the fish NEVER left the water , released it and had to chase it downstream for a 1/4 mile to recapture it ( belly up ) . I tried to revive it for about 5 minutes in fast water but no good . Gave it to a fella at legion lot LMAO I wouldn't eat anything that messed up. Did yours revive ?


1/4 mile, mouth to mouth for 5 min.in fast water??? I miss Erie already

Jay said he called you Dreamcrawler when you left the cabin Mon. night??

Thanks for the I's

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 11:21:18 AM   
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looks like a fish that got snagged by a treble hook last year!


Or it was hooked on a size 8 barbed-hook bugger as a smolt and had half it's face ripped off in the de-hooking. Not all fly fishermen are Florence Nightingale- except maybe on Halloween.
The fish are slightly more resilient than some give them credit for. There's no doubt in my mind that this is a healed injury and not a mutation.

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RE: Elephant Fish--Picture Should Work Now - 11/4/2009 11:24:43 AM   
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Status: online 		DC--fish released fine.  However, like yours, it did not fight much at all--pretty much came straight in.  Given the shape of its head, it seems like would create quite a bit of resistance from the water and make it hard for it to generate any speed for runs or leaps.  And yet I caught it a good bit upstream, seemingly perfectly healthy except for the shape of its head.  

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 11:33:06 AM   
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[There's no doubt in my mind that this is a healed injury and not a mutation.


and why is that?

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 11:44:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because he gets his kicks out of stirring s#*t up......  Its from a treble! Ban them ban them! now to sit back and watch the ensuing arguments.....

I would venture a guess that it is a genetic mutation vs. 1/2 of the face ripped off especially with the eyes pulled downwards and the corners of the mouth still seeming to be attached. But hey thats just to the casual observer.

jacob

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 12:25:25 PM   
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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 1:58:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KJH807


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wild John

[There's no doubt in my mind that this is a healed injury and not a mutation.


and why is that?


Honestly, experience and odds.
S$%# stirring is not my bag.
And while I agree with you that hatchery fish are more prone to mutation (and injury) than wild fish, it certainly isn't "mutts only" concern.

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 2:48:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		while i try to sort through all the technical bullsh*t that this thread has......i wonder why you called it an "elephant" fish??

wouldn't its nose be pointed outward instead of inward if it looked like an elephant?

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 3:09:20 PM   
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Tis true my form is something odd,
But blaming me is blaming God;
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I would not fail in pleasing you.
If I could reach from pole to pole
Or grasp the ocean with a span,
I would be measured by the soul;
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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 7:19:52 PM   
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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 7:37:40 PM   
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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 9:21:59 PM   
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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 9:39:34 PM   
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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 9:45:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I caught one like that last winter at a local stream.  Pic of it in razzmatazz's blog, and just caught another a few weeks back though not as bad.  I thought it was a mutation, turns out PA is getting trout from WV which completely explains the inbreeding.

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 10:40:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ironhed

Walleye's get that way too...



Ironhed


Looks like a Bill Cowher fish

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 10:59:27 PM   
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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 11:04:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		interesting...never heard of that fellow before....that's f'd up

i am now all educated up on him thanks to wikepedia though.

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 11:23:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KJH807

PAs fish are just like wild
no hatchery genetic messes
no inbreeding




There's no genetic difference between rainbow trout that live inland and steelhead in nature so how would the gene pool be any different in any hatchery? Not trying to be a jerk but that doesn't make any sense. How can you have more inbreeding in a wild fish population versus a hatchery population when there's no genetic variation in either?

My guess is that since the success of eggs hatching in a hatchery is probably much higher than that of wild fish, and that predation and ability to find food during critical juvenile phases have less, if any, impact on hatchery fish versus wild fish, that more impaired hatchery fish are able to defeat natural selection and advance to adulthood. That's my opinion/guess. My high school english teacher would probably be horrified by that "sentence" so I hope it makes sense.

I would vote on this being a mutation as opposed to an injury sustained when the fish was a juvenile just because it looks like if it was an injury it's one that would have been big enough to kill it but who knows.

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/4/2009 11:46:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		there was an injury followed by a micro-organism entering the wound which caused necrotizing fasciitis. it was defeated by the immune system and left the elephant fish.

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RE: Elephant Fish - 11/5/2009 11:31:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heyiknowyou

there was an injury followed by a micro-organism entering the wound which caused necrotizing fasciitis. it was defeated by the immune system and left the elephant fish.



well that sounds technical enough for me to unquestioningly believe it! haha....

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