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Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 5:50:17 PM   
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Confluence Films, the production company for “Rise”, donates profits from this DVD to an organization called 1% For The Planet. The board of directors at 1% For The Planet is made up of members of multiple anti-hunting, anti-gun, anti-sportsmen organizations such as Sierra Club, Natural Resources Defense Council, WILD Foundation and Conservation Alliance, to name a few.

If sportsmen purchase the DVD they are indirectly supporting those anti-hunting and anti-gun organizations. We’re being duped and need to let others know how their money is being filtered into the coffers of the anti-hunting and anti-gun movements by those organizations that are bent on destroying our outdoor heritage.
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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 7:24:47 PM   
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Good information, hope it's all true! I hate to be snookered by deceptive people.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 7:55:01 PM   
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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 8:05:34 PM   
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The Sierra club, is far from anti-hunting/sportsmen. As for the others. They are very pro-conservation of wilderness areas, and wildlife. However going through their websites, I saw NOTHING that could be construed as anti-gun, OR anti-sportsmen.

I suspect the poster has not researched the subject, or has another adgenda.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 8:20:19 PM   
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Now I have 2 posts.

Log on to 1% For The Planet and read the bios of the board of directors and "people". If you are a fisherman who also hunts or shoots you should beware. The Sierra Club and National Resources Defense Council were two of the groups who filed lawsuits to stop wolf hunting in Idaho and Montana; both groups have board members of 1% as advisors or board members. Who stopped mountain lion hunting in California? Who stopped spring black bear hunting in Colorado? These organizations will not come out and say what they really stand for when it comes to hunting and guns. YOU HAVE TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 8:34:38 PM   
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Yup! The Sierra club, is REAL anti-sportsmen

http://www.sierraclub.org/sierrasportsmen/

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 8:38:06 PM   
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tarpontom

i am not going to digg and fact check tonight...

BUT
it is obvious you have an axe to grid/ hidden agenda...
many fly shops support 1% for the planet... there are some breweries... local PA companies... a global high-end outdoor company

why have you singled out a production company that makes niche fly fishing videos???

hell, there are 18 other video/film production companies... many of which have considerably more market share than the one you are bashing...


whats your issue??? obviously it isn't the planet




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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 9:16:21 PM   
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Good points. No axe to grind, no hidden agendas. Fishermen and outdoorsmen need to be aware of where their money ulimately goes when they spend it, no matter which company. Do a little research before spending, that's all.

1% and its board members is who you should be concerned about. They have hidden agendas and alliances with other groups that you unknowingly support.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 9:19:39 PM   
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what would those hidden agenda's and alliances be?

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 9:26:53 PM   
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Most of the board has some ties to the flyfishing industry.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 9:27:54 PM   
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what would those hidden agenda's and alliances be?



terrorism

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 9:28:29 PM   
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Craig Mathews, with his wife, Jackie, is owner and founder of Blue Ribbon Flies, a retail fly-fishing outfitter based in West Yellowstone, Montana. In 1997, Craig began self-taxing Blue Ribbon Flies, giving 2% of its sales to local environmental nonprofits. This noble way of doing business led him to partner with Patagonia's Yvon Chouinard in founding 1% For The Planet.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 9:29:51 PM   
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sierra club is very ethical.  better check your facts.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 10:46:53 PM   
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My first reaction is why a controversial post on the day you join?

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/4/2009 11:44:18 PM   
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My first reaction is why a controversial post on the day you join?


Ever think that he joined just to make the controversial post?

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 11:19:00 AM   
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   You can find many organizations that will be as the Sierra Club.  They were pro-wildlife and nuetral on hunting for much of their first 100? years.  In the last 5 or 6 they have reached out to hunters in order to promote "their" agenda.  They are a pro-wildlife group.  If hunters help them, fine.  But they have been involved in some restrictive cases (right or wrong is debatable) that have stopped hunting for some species and in some ways. 
   In my opinion they are using hunters and will not defend them when push comes to shove.   Not all bad, but real green motivated and linking humans as just another animal.  Their founder was not pro-hunting and considered the hunting industry as the murder industry. (John Muir)
 
 This is a letter of resignation of a member that was published when they started reaching out to hunters.  It states what their core beliefs were or are?  Sorry it is long.  Didn't want to cherry pick it.

John Muir Betrayed
By Captain Paul Watson
(From Committee to Abolish Sports Hunting Newsletter, Summer 2006)

Whom when I asked from what place he came,
And how he might, himself he did eclipse,
The Shepherd of the Ocean by Name,
And said he came far from the main-sea deep.

Edmund Spenser A.C.E. 1590


On April 21st, 2006 on John Muir’s 168th birthday, I resigned as a National Director of the Sierra Club in protest of the Club’s sponsoring of a contest entitled, “Why I like to Hunt.” The contest offered a hunting trip to Alaska as the first prize.

This is now the 21st Century, yet the Sierra Club is encouraging behavior today that John Muir condemned in the 19th Century. They are doing that by spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on hunter outreach programs.

Throughout his life, John Muir supported rights for wildlife. You can read his philosophy in the pages of A Thousand Mile Walk, Mountains of California, or The Cruise of the Corwin. His other writings also include passages that defend wildlife and condemn the overlordship of men over beast.

It was this philosophy that brought me to the Sierra Club in 1968 and it was why I became a member. I joined an organization with a legacy and a tradition of respect for wildlife and nature, an organization that appealed to hikers, bird-watchers, naturalists and climbers, not those who profess to love nature with a gun.

I joined the Sierra Club of John Muir, David Brower and Ansel Adams, not the modern day aberration of Carl Pope.

In 1867, two years after the close of the Civil War, John Muir walked from Indiana to Florida in order to observe both flora and fauna. Arriving in Florida, he was shocked by the totally callous regard of people for alligators: “Many good people believe that alligators were created by the Devil, thus accounting for their all-consuming appetite and ugliness. But doubtless these creatures are happy and fill the place assigned them by the great Creator of us all. Fierce and cruel they appear to us, but beautiful in the eyes of god. They, also, are his children, for He hears their cries, cares for them tenderly, and provides their daily bread.”

Muir suggested that all creatures are brothers and equal in the eyes of their creator. Several pages later in A Thousand Mile Walk, Muir expresses his views on man’s domination over the animal world even more strongly:

“Let a Christian hunter go to the Lord’s woods and kill his well-kept beasts, or wild Indians, and it is well; but let an enterprising specimen of these proper, predestined victims go to houses and fields and kill the most worthless person of the vertical godlike killers, —oh! that is horribly unorthodox, and on the part of the Indians, atrocious murder!

Well, I have precious little sympathy for the selfish propriety of civilized man, and if a war of races should occur between the wild beasts and Lord Man, I would be tempted to sympathize with the bears.”

In the latter part of the 1800s, Muir wrote: “Now, it never seems to occur to these far-seeing teachers that Nature’s object in making animals and plants might possibly be first of all the happiness of each one of them, not the creation of all for the happiness of one. Why should man value himself as more than a small part of the one great unit of creation?

And what creature of all that the Lord has taken the pains to make is not essential to the completeness of that unit - the cosmos?

The universe would be incomplete without man; but it would also be incomplete without the smallest transmicroscopic creature that dwells beyond our conceitful eyes and knowledge.”

John Muir defended rights for animals. He believed that not only did wildlife have an equal right to live with humans on this planet but that it had a great deal to teach us if we would only attempt to open up channels of communication.

What is amazing is that Muir lived at a time when there were far fewer people and many more animals and much more wilderness, yet he had the vision to see the consequences of human arrogance. He was advocating rights for animals and for wilderness a century before these ideas evolved into a movement.

Muir recalled a time when he encountered sheep hunters during a hike up Mount Shasta where he observed a kill:

He wrote: “We went up to the ewe, She was still breathing, but helpless. Her eye was remarkably mild and gentle, and called out sympathy as if she were human. Poor woman-sheep!”

He also wrote: Hunters slaughter wildlife without any thought of the interdependence of all life. On board the Corwin, white hunters approached three polar bears valiantly trying to make an escape over the ice-floes:

“The first one overtaken was killed instantly at the second shot, which passed through the brain. The other two were fired at by five fun, fur, and fame seekers, with heavy breech-loading rifles, about forty times ere they were killed. From four to six bullets passed through their necks and shoulders before the last through the brain put an end to their agony... It was prolonged, bloody agony, as clumsily and heartlessly inflicted as it could well be, except in the case of the first, which never knew what hurt him.”

Shortly afterwards the bodies were hoisted aboard the ship and skinned to be taken home “to show angelic sweethearts the evidence of pluck and daring.”

Similar procedures were carried out with walruses by the great white hunters from San Francisco: “These magnificent animals,” Muir writes in the Cruise of the Corwin “ are killed often times for their tusks alone, like buffaloes for their tongues, ostriches for their feathers, or for mere sport and exercise. In nothing does man, with his grand notions of heaven and charity, show forth his innate, low-bred, wild animalism more clearly than in his treatment of his brother beasts. From the shepherd with his lambs to the red handed hunter, it is the same; no recognition of rights - only murder in one form or another.”

This voyage to the Arctic in 1881 taught Muir much about his fellow man.

Muir’s meetings with Theodore Roosevelt led to the creation of the National Parks in the United States, but this did not prevent Muir from engaging in lively debates with Roosevelt over the ethics of hunting, even calling Roosevelt’s love of trophy hunting “childish.”

Muir openly referred to hunting as the “murder business.”

Yet the Sierra Club founded by John Muir today features pictures of smiling Sierra Club staff posing with their recently slaughtered trophy animals.

I think it is incredibly disrespectful for Carl Pope and the staff of the Sierra Club to use the web pages of the Club as a gloat and boast statement for their conquests over wildlife. Are these people so emotionally inadequate or immature that they need to flaunt their perversion to the entire Sierra Club membership? Do we really need to see them posing with big smiles with freshly slaughtered animals? What purpose does this page serve other than as a perverse vanity page? Is the object to recruit hunters and turn off animal lovers?

And to actually host a contest to promote hunting with an all expense lethal kill thrill in Alaska as a prize, this is akin to spitting on John Muir’s grave.

The Sierra Club was founded by John Muir to respect wilderness and to honor nature. It is amazingly hypocritical for the Sierra Club to be posting this pro-slaughter blasphemy on the same website where the words of John Muir proclaim that hunting is the “murder business.” It shows their antipathy for the sentiment and will of the noble founder

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 11:27:09 AM   
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This was posted as reply to to the letter by Paul Waston.

In Praise of Paul Watson
By Jim Robertson, Wildlife Photographer

I applaud Captain Paul Watson for taking a stand for the animals and resigning from his position on the Board of Directors of the Sierra Club because of their sleeping with the enemy—pandering to “sportsmen” by holding a “Why I Hunt” essay contest.

Praising hunters for the good things they might do for wildlife habitat, while ignoring the lethal results of their ‘primal passions’ is like admiring pedophilic priests for the good they might do for choirboys, while glossing over their predatory behavior and ignoring the impacts on their victims. Hunters may not have sex with the animals they covet, but like child molesters, they prey on the defenseless and like serial killers, they leave their victims physically wounded or dead.

To actively court their membership in an environmental group, while ignoring their deviant desires, is like disregarding Ted Bundy’s crimes against women just because he volunteered some of his time on a rape crisis hotline. Several nurses turned serial killer have used their intimate proximity to their patients to their own advantage, satisfying their lust for power by snuffing out the life of their helpless, bedridden victims. Perhaps, like hunters, these killers believe they are doing a good thing by taking matters in hand and thinning the herd. But their underlying motives are self-serving and they should no more be considered humanitarians than hunters should be considered true environmentalists.

How is the Sierra Club going to divorce itself from this unholy alliance when hunters in Washington, Oregon, Idaho or Alaska call for a contest hunt on coyotes or a cull on cougars, wolves or grizzlies that are taking too many of “their” deer, elk, moose or caribou?









I realize that this is a fishing site for the most part, but I do find discussing these types of issues for hunting and fishing to be benificial to encourage being informed on what organizations are doing in the political arena for or against the sportsman.

I'm sorry that I felt like I had to reply in this forum rather than off topic. 

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 11:31:17 AM   
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I guess this Muir decided it was best to just conveniently forget the portions of his bible that didn't really jive with his opinion? I'm not terribly religious, but you'd think that, for a guy that liked to quote his holy documentation to justify his actions, he'd have stumbled upon this little gem somewhere in his reading:

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And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 11:38:46 AM   
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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 11:41:48 AM   
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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 12:22:54 PM   
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A reasonable person would have diminished respect for hunters who cannot accept that sometime their hobby must be restricted because of the need to preserve the environment and its creature inhabitants and likewise for conservationists that cannot accept that creatures and the other natural resources are here for our use and enjoyment.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 1:43:39 PM   
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This thread, and its original poster are simply ridiculous.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 2:04:44 PM   
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quote:

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Confluence Films, the production company for “Rise”, donates profits from this DVD to an organization called 1% For The Planet. The board of directors at 1% For The Planet is made up of members of multiple anti-hunting, anti-gun, anti-sportsmen organizations such as Sierra Club, Natural Resources Defense Council, WILD Foundation and Conservation Alliance, to name a few.

If sportsmen purchase the DVD they are indirectly supporting those anti-hunting and anti-gun organizations. We’re being duped and need to let others know how their money is being filtered into the coffers of the anti-hunting and anti-gun movements by those organizations that are bent on destroying our outdoor heritage.



Can you support this with examples of their antihunting and antigun activities? I don't feel trying to stop a hunting season for wolves etc, means they want to stop all hunting. In my mind an anti-hunting organization would be totally against hunting, not just wolf hunting. If I were to say i'm against varmint hunting (which I am somewhat) does that make me an anti-hunter?

"Anti-hunting" and "anti-gun" are labels that get thrown around too often. I was called anti-gun on the interwebs once because I think background checks are a good idea. I was called an anti-hunter on a hunting board a while back because I thought 10 years old was too young to take a kid deer hunting.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 3:22:16 PM   
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Former Sierra Club Director Paul Watson: "You can't love nature with a gun."

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 3:46:01 PM   
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Watch the trailers and decide for yourself if you want to buy a dvd.

I suggest you buy both!

http://www.confluencefilms.tv/films.php

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/5/2009 8:19:55 PM   
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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/6/2009 8:56:21 AM   
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Welcome to the "discussion board", Tom! haha!

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/6/2009 9:17:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: D-nymph

Watch the trailers and decide for yourself if you want to buy a dvd.

I suggest you buy both!

http://www.confluencefilms.tv/films.php



Read and watch all sorts of things, especially stuff you disagree with. How else can you compare different arguments and points view? There are pro-hunting elements within the Sierra Club to be sure, but to suggest that the overwhelming sentiment of the Sierra Club is pro-hunting, or even tolerant of hunting, is just not true.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/6/2009 9:53:55 AM   
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It seems to me there are two groups that should be "pro-hunting:" those that make money off the industry directly or indirectly and those who hunt. Everyone else may be hunting tolerant, like myself, or if they wish, be against it. At "worst," Sierra Club is hunting-tolerant.

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RE: Don't buy the fly fishing DVD "Rise" - 10/6/2009 10:02:04 AM   
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I fail to see why, even if you do not hunt or hunt very little, you could not or should not be pro-hunting. I fall into the second category. I hunt very little, but I am pro-hunting. If hunting or certain types of hunting were banned, it would not effect me very much because I like to fish much more than I like to hunt, but I would still fight against it, because its an incursion on rights. Maybe if fishing were under attack you would want those who don't fish or fish very little to register opposition.

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