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Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 9:09:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		First off, YES I tried to search past threads for an answer for the question I am going to ask but didnt find what I specifically wanted to find out. A work associate and I were talking and he told me that he will fish at Walnut for a while, keep his three steelhead,take them to PR's to exchange them for their delicious smoked fish and then drive right over to the east side streams and fish some more !! Is that Legal ??? I was going to try and look it up in the Regulation Magazine but I cant find mine. I also tried the PFC website but got frustrated. So what is the definition of DAILY LIMIT ?

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 9:13:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's perfectly legal. PROVIDED he is able to release ALL subsequent fish unharmed.

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 9:22:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The daily limit is 3 fish.  Once you have your 3 fish, technically if you land a 4th fish and take it into your control, you are over your limit.  If you release it unharmed, you should be OK.  A problem would arise if you end up killing a fish after you have your limit.  BTW if you give a fish away, it counts toward your daily limit.

What I usually do if I am keeping fish is to keep two and wait until just before I leave to keep the last fish.  Once I have three, I leave.  I have not kept three in years, but that is what I used to do.


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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 9:24:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I guess I should have mentioned he also keeps more the second time around ! He says theres no way to prove anything because the other ones are already processed and that its legal. He is a work "associate" not exactly a work buddy ! Dont think I would have a problem throwing a tip to someone if ya know what I mean !!!

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 9:30:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutley Illegal your "work associate" is either stoopid or careless and certainly not a sportsman.

I hope he gets reported and fined..



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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 9:34:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Question: Once I catch my limit can I continue fishing?
Answer: YES! You can continue fishing as long as every fish is released unharmed. However, if you can't successfully revive the caught fish and return it unharmed than it will be added to your limit, making you over the allowed number of fish. To play it safe, don't keep your last allowed fish until you know you will be done fishing soon. (I have personally seen people get nailed on this one!) Or play it even safer and just keep 1 or 2 for dinner! Steelhead are better fresh anyway!

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 9:37:12 PM   
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Well I guess I should have mentioned he also keeps more the second time around ! He says theres no way to prove anything because the other ones are already processed and that its legal. He is a work "associate" not exactly a work buddy ! Dont think I would have a problem throwing a tip to someone if ya know what I mean !!!


Well, now that I read further...

I totally agree with tippy-toe!
He is breaking the law and should be reported!

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 10:07:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Guys, I didnt think  he was right but I just couldnt find it in writing anywhere. I am a 99% Walleye - 1% steelhead fisherman. I find my way to the stream 1-3 times before Thanksgiving. I do keep my three if I can get them. I exchange them at PR's and then distribute them amongst my family members as a small gift for Thanksgiving and that about wraps up my steelhead fishing for the year. As for my "work associate" always has been an AH and probably always will be !!!

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 10:10:18 PM   
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Well I guess I should have mentioned he also keeps more the second time around ! He says theres no way to prove anything because the other ones are already processed and that its legal. He is a work "associate" not exactly a work buddy ! Dont think I would have a problem throwing a tip to someone if ya know what I mean !!!


PR should be keeping track of lic #s when fish are turned in

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 10:26:05 PM   
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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 10:31:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		They DO have the required forms filled out for ALL fish brought into be filleted, or smoked. It is NOT their responsibility to backcheck them for violations. The forms are turned over to the PF&BC, who WOULD have that responsibility.

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 10:40:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its all about being ethical or not...just like littering.  We need to do our part.  A mind set of whether you care or you don't.  There are pigs and there are gluttons.  I will not continue to fish if I have 3 fish on my stringer (which is rare to see me ever carry that many fish out anyway)!  Thats why, if I decide I want to take some fish home, I'll continue to fish with only 2 fish on the stringer only.  When I'm ready to head home, I'll catch the third then I'll go.  However its rare that I ever take 3 out since they're so heavy to carry!!  I like to keep some fish from time to time, but usually its only 1 maybe 2.  That way I can always go back out and fish and have the peace of mind knowing that I'm not breaking the law or being a total glutton.  Thats the difference between your friend and I.

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 10:50:00 PM   
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Status: online 		my comment about PR is that they would have the proof on this guy keeping more than 3

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/17/2008 10:52:15 PM   
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my comment about PR is that they would have the proof on this guy keeping more than 3


NO!  I think that the point was that the responsibility should be on the fishermen, and NOT on Poor Richards.  I understood it completely and totally agree.

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 12:41:17 AM   
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my comment about PR is that they would have the proof on this guy keeping more than 3


NO!  I think that the point was that the responsibility should be on the fishermen, and NOT on Poor Richards.  I understood it completely and totally agree.


i was suggesting that the PFBC would goto PR and look at this guys slips in response to a tip...

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 6:21:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you even realize how much BS PR's goes through every single day?  Between the non stop phone calls for conditions to the people that come in and out for bait & equipment, the fish cleaning/smoking.  I doubt that they really want to get involved in policing or even have the time to do so.  I went in there one evening last week and could barely find a place to park....It took me a half hour to buy one container of singles.  I stll think its the responsibility of the angler to upkeep the laws and regulations and the PFBC's responsibility to enforce them.  You see some wrong doing?  Report it yourself by calling their 800 number.  Poor Richards and all the other bait shops have enough to deal with IMO.

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 6:42:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		day limit is the days limit .
rember those guys got poped in conn ,they got tagged good they got the limit went back out got another and that was a double limit not legal they made 3to 4 trips a day after perch ,one of the pochers was a doctor and from what i understand the boat and all equipment was taken and they got 6months the only snagg was the fish were a legal catch,just 3to4 x the days limit

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 7:25:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		steelhead are big. who would want to keep 6?  how many kids is he feeding? I keep 1 for trading in at PR, I 'spose if you gifted them, it's still not legal though.  I think the possesion limit is 6. It is typically double the daily limit.

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 7:33:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		How do you report a dirtbag that makes multiple trips to the stream when all you have is considered here-say? This guy didnt have a problem bragging about it but how do you catch him? I'm sure the PFC isn't going to spend hours and hours stalking and staking out this AH. And if he doesn't take the second or whatever limit back to PR's to exchange them then theres no proof there either !  

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 7:45:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		To easily get around the second limit, the dirt bag could take three to PR to be exchanged for smoked fish and take three to BAC and just get them cleaned. It would be very difficult for this guy to turn in his fishing companion with the possibility of him finding out and still having to work with him. Tough situation.

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 7:57:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Wally about turning in a companion.  All I would say is you can say something to him and indicate what he is doing is wrong and if he wants to continue to do this, to refuse to fish with him.  I stopped hunting with a fellow who often would do some crazy stuff like fire off a shotgun about a foot from my head.  I talked with him about his behavior and basically got back he was not going to change, so I just don't hunt with him anymore.



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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 12:21:35 PM   
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PR's would be required to do nothing that they aren't already doing. They already have the reprorts filled out. All they would have to do is hand them over to the WCO, which they do at some point anyway.

A good discription of the guy, his car, and possibley his plate#, and it could be done depending on how much time the WCO has to devote to a single case.

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 1:21:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are always going to be people who think the rules do not apply to them and they can pretty much do what they want.  It is sad that some think it OK to take as many fish as they want and to not for one minute stop to consider if everyone did that, there would be few fish to catch.  Of course, it is hard to think that there is a limit to the number of steelhead in the streams, but there is and when you get people wanting to hoover the streams, it leaves slim pickings for the rest of us.  It is this type of self centered, selfish and I might add childish behavior that has gotten this country into the mess we are in right now.  The ME generation is screwing things up for the WE generation. 

I have no problem with people keeping a legal limit of fish, but don't get greedy.

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 2:25:04 PM   
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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 4:14:36 PM   
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I agree with Wally about turning in a companion.  All I would say is you can say something to him and indicate what he is doing is wrong and if he wants to continue to do this, to refuse to fish with him.  




A companion ? No Way !!! Not fishing or in any other sense of the word. I'd have a hard time stopping to help him along the road if I seen him but I would. I just have the unforunate luck to have to put up with this person at work,thats it. I did have a discussion with him today about the topic and came right out and told him if I ever see him or his vehicle I would call the PFC. (The least they could do is inconvenience him) He just kinda blew it off in his egotesticle macho AH manner, walked away calling me an AH. Like he has to maintain his image   "Whatever"

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 4:26:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I read too much into your post.  Sorry to hear he gave you some attitude.  Some folks don't like to get called out when they know what they are doing is wrong.

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/18/2008 5:18:00 PM   
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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/24/2008 12:52:32 PM   
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Well I guess I should have mentioned he also keeps more the second time around ! He says theres no way to prove anything because the other ones are already processed and that its legal. He is a work "associate" not exactly a work buddy ! Dont think I would have a problem throwing a tip to someone if ya know what I mean !!!


PR's is supposed to make you fill something out when you drop off a fish.  If he is gettin em smoked their should be a record of that with PR's. 

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/25/2008 10:08:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure someone will bash me but I actually started thinking after reading someof the threads on here over the past few months.

I sure as hell wouldn't wanna be the guinea pig to find out the answer but since 20 Mile runs through PA and NY, wouldn't you technically be able to take your 3 from PA waters and then your 3 from the NY stretch without having actualy broken the law?

I'm sure even if you could you wouldn't be able to prove it if a ticket was written but what would be you guys thinking on it?

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RE: Daily Limit ??? - 11/25/2008 10:38:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mike,

I think you are technically correct about taking a limit in NY and another one in PA.  It would be extremely hard to prove where you caught the fish.  They don't come with labels. 



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