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Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/17/2008 7:52:58 PM   
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I just bought a new house, well, an old farm house on Elk last May.  I'm guessing that heating costs are gonna be pretty high this year.  I've actually picked up some side jobs felling and cutting up trees this fall.  So now I have accumulated a few cords of wood with more on the way.  I've got a couple saws that are a little underpowered.  What are you guys using to get the job done?  

I'm also looking at an outdoor wood stove to heat the house and hot water tank.  Anyone have one of these units or heard anything about them?

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/17/2008 7:54:26 PM   
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Hey I have no idea about Saws   But if you come across any burls or interesting wood I can find a home for them    HINT HINT    

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/17/2008 10:51:39 PM   
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Loopy,
   Just an opinion but Get The Biggest Saw You Can Handle!.   When I was much younger I logged with a 30" bar saw.  Then I went and traded it off for a family saw (18" bar).  And I was very dissatisfied.  So I went back to a good 24" bar and I'm thinking about going with a 26 or 30".  Nothing quite cuts through a log, (or your pants leg, boots, or other apendeges) like a big saw.   Less time spent cutting means more time dinking beer beside a warm fire.  Plus a big saw will cut right down thru all that nasty burl wood that you find in a limb (esp walnut or cherry) and make it easy to burn.  My friends (who all have the little home use saws) were stunned when I brought the big saw out when we were cutting firewood, but my trailer was full before they even had their logs cut.  (we all cut on a piece that had massive blow downs in past storms).
    Get the biggest, most powerful saw you can afford and which you feel confident handling.  (hockey mask, and bib overalls optional)

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/17/2008 11:03:36 PM   
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I've got a Stihl 180 for limbing and a John Deere 52cc with an 18".   The Stihl is nice and light.  The JD is underpowered.  I'm thinking about a Stihl pro saw in the 59 or 60cc range with either a 20" or 25".

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/17/2008 11:17:35 PM   
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been looking for one myself. neighbor has a ECHO. almost 70cc's. 24" bar. 5 year warranty and its an animal.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/17/2008 11:43:42 PM   
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Loopy,
    Stihl makes an EXCELLENT saw!  Personally I'd get one with a slightly bigger engine than needed so that if you ever want to go up a bar size you can.  IMO  Others that are good are Husky: and the bigger poulans (for the money).   As for the outside stove, from all my experiences they turn out to be, ,  what's that word? , , , oh yeah,  JUNK!  Better to get a good stove and tap it into you home heating ductwork with a good fan.  We used to heat our whole house like that back in the 50"s and 60's.
    The best bet IMO is to turn your old house into a refrigerator by severely insulating the walls and attic area.  I once helped renovate an older home and when we had to open the walls to replace the wiring we found air.  After blown-in insulation and a good thick batt in the attic the home heating bills were 1/4 of the previous.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 6:37:23 AM   
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I just finished up cutting 10 cord with my Craftsman series 20" bar.  While I'm not going to tell you it wouldn't have been easier with a newer Stihl or Husky with a longer bar, I AM going to tell you the chain makes all the
difference in the world.  Go to your local saw shop, spend 20-25 bucks for a new "aggressive" chain and watch it
go through that wood like a hot knife through butter. 

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 7:19:43 AM   
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The chain does make a huge difference, only problem is you can't always get a chain without the kickback link, where I go I always have to sign my life away. I have a Shindowa and it works great. It also helps to put the smallest recommended bar on the saw it won't bog as much with a sharp chain.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 7:40:38 AM   
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I cut logs for a living and run the bigger Huskies..Huskies and Stihl are probably your most reliable and easiest to get repaired.(more dealers)I just picked up a new Husky 385, 5.5 cubic inch,,24" bar..cost--$750...

If you do go to the bigger saws with the longer bars,,Please get yourself a pair of cutting chaps($60).The bigger saws and bars can be really dangerous with kick back.

As far as chains I run "Chisel chain in the semi-skip design..Very aggresive..

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 7:54:13 AM   
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I,m using a cheap "wild thing" poulan, 18in. bar.
Its cut a ton of wood with some stripped screw issues.
If you have 300 to spend go for a stilh , jonserred, husky, in the 41-50cc range.
It all depends on how large of trees your cutting.
I,m planning on getting a red next year.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 8:32:28 AM   
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Guys,
   I like 60cc or even bigger.  My saw is a .75.  Remember:  BIGGER is better and SIZE really DOES MATTER!  LOL     Bling:  5.5 cubic inch  is about 90 cc  good call!  You could cut a Buick in half with that saw.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 10:05:49 AM   
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The weight facter comes into play when you go that big. My shoulder can not take those heavy weights that long.
Just my 2 cts.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 10:16:55 AM   
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I just bought a new house, well, an old farm house on Elk last May

hey, no spot burning

i have two saws, though i don't use them much these days (this house has no fireplace) but the bigger is an older 20 inch homelite and the smaller is a 14 inch stihl.  i am with mika, the bigger saws beat me up after a while. 

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 11:23:24 AM   
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STIHL, you won't be sorry. I am still running one that I got in 1972.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 3:43:01 PM   
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Gentlemen,
    Well the nice thing about a heavy saw is that you can usually just sit it on the log and the weight will push the saw through the log.  Some of the stuff we've been cutting goes over 45" at the base and it takes a while for even a big saw to get through that stuff.  On a funny note last year one of my "not to well informed" friends cut up a furniture grade cherry and walnut, and split them to heat his house.  Now mind you the wood was free but he could have made a couple of saw logs and paid his heating bill for a couple of months.  He didn't know what he was cutting up.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 5:41:30 PM   
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boy that would suck cutting wood that valuable to burnOh yea my opinion is go w/Stihl had mine for 3 years and love the hell out of it

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 7:07:09 PM   
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It all boils down ro how big and how strong you are. Jacks a big guy, I,m a little old guy. lol

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 8:09:23 PM   
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I have an Echo, don't remeber the HP or CC, but has an 18" bar on it and can go to 22". But an 18" will work for just about anything your going to cut here. I've done some close to 3 footers and no problem, a little more time yes! But as many have said, you don't get beat up as you would running a bigger saw. Dad has a big homelite and 2 Echo's (one like mine and one smaller). Homelite bought in 78 and has been great, but that was before they cheapened them up to sell in dept. stores/etc. I bought the Echo cause I know how his have performed. My buddie and his family has had great luck with Johnson Reds, father in law (who had a sawmill) and I think all his kids have Sthils. Depends upon what you want I suppose or feel good with. I would though stay away from one bought at one of the super-stores, regardless of brand! When it comes to chains, mine are Oregon and I sharpen usualy every tank or second tank of gas. I'm rough on mine chains so I don't have to roll or move the logs as much. Sharpening a chain doesn't take that long and I do mine in a vise, but carry to good cahins with me for when in the woods. Also carry all the extras in the woods, plugs, files, tools, etc. Doing such can make a day productive verus a waste!

Remember to, you'll need a spliter! And I would suggest one that flips on end for the big pieces. I know Dano is older than me so I'm assuming you are to!

We have a US Stove Company furnace that can handle about a 30"+ piece of wood (indoor), plus can burn coal though we don't. It works great! We did have a smaller one, but the plumping wasn't right and the fire-box got burned out. Ours is also plumbed into the main duct work which is hooked into the gas furnace. MAKE SURE IF YOU GO THIS WAY THE PLUMBING IS CAPABLE OF PUSHING THE HOT AIR OUT INTO THE DUCT WORK! As stated, thats why our first one got burn't out. Another added bonus to plumbing it into the existing duct if you have an oil or gas furnace also is that the blower on the other furnace will work as a "pusher of air" of sorts. Thoery is and it works, once the wood furnace pushes enough hot air into the duct it will kick the blower on, on the gas furnace which in turns works as an inline fan, but the oil/gas furnace does not kick on. Helps push the air through the duct much better and dstributes it better.

When we move, will will have an outside burner/boiler system that is for sure. It will probably be one of the ones you load with a bobcat. Less spliting and handling. I won't go into it here, but there is a way you can build a system that won't use nearly as much wood as what's out there now, most people just won't spend the extra money.

Bottom line though, heating with wood is not cheap! It saves, but still is not cheap if you consider all that is involved. I'm 35 and my parents house and garage/shop both had an old coal furance in them (house still does, shop now has oil as backup) and let me tell you the mornings I would have paid to wake up and not need socks/slippers on to walk to the bathroom. Never frozen pipes, but sometimes still danged cold! What my wife and I have is much better, but you still need to feed it or listen to the gas furnace kick on.


Smitty

PS-Could also tell you about some tricks to help on an old farm house, my paps is over 100 years and know what we have done there.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 8:24:28 PM   
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Drink more beer and you,ll wake up at 3 and gotta pee.
Stoke er up and go back to sleep or what ever. lol

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/18/2008 11:15:16 PM   
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quote:

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It all boils down ro how big and how strong you are. Jacks a big guy, I,m a little old guy. lol

   Mika,  The descriptive word is FAT!.. also Don't forget with my back and spine being what they aren't I only have so many minutes I can work at anything.  I'll put up with the pain of a big saw for a while.  Also, I have hired a 16 year old kid to do the splitting and the hauling.  Still gets me out but saves my neck and back.  Now the neat thing:  I don't even have a wood stove.  I usually just cut and haul for folks who aren't as lucky as me.  And boy there are getting to be more and more of them each week.  But my biggest peeve is when I give a load of wood to some needy family and nobody will even come out of the house and help stack the stuff when there are able bodied folks in the house.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/19/2008 7:29:47 AM   
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That would be the last load for that family.
Its hard enough work let alone doing it for someone that is not that appreciative.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/19/2008 9:07:30 AM   
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I cut for my parents.  I have used homelite, husky, stihl, and ccCullough.  The power and weight of the bigger husky and stihl is definitely nice when cutting the bigger stuff but, I cut mostly tops and nothing bigger than 18-24" round.  The lighter homelite with the 18" is my go to for that work when I am cutting for 3-6 hours without much of a break.  Even with it, my shoulders, forearms, back and hands feel it the next several days.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/19/2008 9:29:20 AM   
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i am not the biggest guy in the world, but when i used to split, i would get my teenage son and some of his football buddies and have them try to outdo each other splitting.  would sit back with a cup of coffee and smile, knowing i was keeping these teenagers busy and out of trouble 

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/19/2008 10:20:26 AM   
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Rap,
   Excellent call!  I see you've read some of Mark twain's works. 

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/19/2008 11:20:01 AM   
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Would go with the stihl.  My dads had one for the past 25+ years and it has been great.  Take care of it and it will last forever.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/19/2008 12:35:55 PM   
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It's pretty hard to go wrong with a stihl or a husqvarna. Like indisquiz said, get the biggest you can handle.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/19/2008 1:08:26 PM   
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loop, one thing you may want to consider, and that is getting an extra chain or two.  also, try to find someone close to sharpen them if you don't do it yourself.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/19/2008 1:37:47 PM   
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Hey guys steelhead fishing is somthing I have alot to learn about yet,but saws are my buisness.I've been in the industry for 25 years.I recently just opend a shop up. I willL be selling all major brands.echo,stihl,shindaiwa,dolmar.Also service all major brands mowers trimmers blowers etc.I'd be happy to answer any quetions I can.What you buy, be careful that you can get parts and be serviced in a timely matter.OH PARTS. I can get most any part.

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/19/2008 1:38:28 PM   
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Hey guys steelhead fishing is somthing I have alot to learn about yet,but saws are my buisness.I've been in the industry for 25 years.I recently just opend a shop up. I willL be selling all major brands.echo,stihl,shindaiwa,dolmar.Also service all major brands mowers trimmers blowers etc.I'd be happy to answer any quetions I can.What you buy, be careful that you can get parts and be serviced in a timely matter.OH PARTS. I can get most any part.
    Where are you located?

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RE: Chainsaws and wood stoves - 11/19/2008 1:45:46 PM   
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Allison park pa off of route 8.

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