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Braid vs. Mono - 8/4/2008 1:50:19 PM

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I have been using 10lb mono for bass fishing but was thinking about trying some Power PRo Braid. I would also like to try some braid for perch fishing. Anyone have any suggestions? Also, I am fishing from shore with a 7ft. medium Ugly stick and a President reel. Thanks for the suggestions. Please be as specific as possible because I am new to this discussion. Thank you.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/4/2008 2:02:03 PM

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Can you tie knots as well with braid as that of mono line? Also, what lb. test do you recommend for bass and also for perch?

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/4/2008 2:50:03 PM

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If you use 10 lb already and are happy w/ it use the same test in braid. Yes you can tie the same knots in braid as you do in mono, just remember to add an additional turn or two w/ a clinch knot. You may want to add a length of mono to the terminal side of the line to help w/ breaking the line if you snag. This way the mono will break easier than the braid. Use a albright knot between the braid to mono. Carry a small piece of thick dowel to wrap the braid around to help w/ pulling snags loose.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/4/2008 3:19:53 PM

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Just a suggestion, give flourocarbon a try sometime. I switched to it about a year ago and love it. Great sensitivity and knot strength plus the fish are supposedly not able to see it. Berkely makes a 100% flourocarbon, it comes in a gold box. If your happy with the line you already use keep using it, but keep this in the backburner.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/4/2008 4:54:14 PM

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Could I use 10lb braid for both Bass and Perch Fishing? Or do you recommend something else for Perch fishing?

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/4/2008 6:07:16 PM

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You wanna use different knots than you do with mono. Power pro has a tendency to slip clinch knots. Your best bet for knots with braid are the palomar, uni knot and power knots. My buddy lost 2 big fish this year using power pro with clinch knots.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/4/2008 7:16:44 PM

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A drop of Zapa Gap or anyother type of superglue goes on every knot I tie with braid,,, Try it

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/4/2008 9:18:56 PM

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Just a suggestion, give flourocarbon a try sometime. I switched to it about a year ago and love it. Great sensitivity and knot strength plus the fish are supposedly not able to see it. Berkely makes a 100% flourocarbon, it comes in a gold box. If your happy with the line you already use keep using it, but keep this in the backburner.

Yeah, its called Berkley VANISH and its junk! If you're going to go with florocarbon, I found P-Line to be the best for your buck. Anything but Vanish.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 10:35:29 AM

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It's not Berkely Vanish. Berkely makes a few different kinds of flourocarbon. The one I was talking about is Berkely's 100% flourocarbon and it comes in a gold box. I just came back from Canada a few weeks ago and used this line the entire trip. Caught quite a few big pike on it and didn't have a single line snap.

By the way I used Berkely Vanish 4# all last year for steelhead and it worked great for me. The snaps were almost minimal and caught a quite a few nice ones including a couple over 10 lbs and had no problems. Several people talk crap on this line but I love it. Everyone says the line will snap and kink on you but I haven't had that problem at all. My buddies I fish with use it too and have relatively no issues.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 11:12:03 AM

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This spring I switched all of my light rods to 6# fireline, because of recommendations read on this board and by friends. Changed mainly for perch on the lake, but was very happy with the performance on the trout streams. The knot is actually easier to tie than a clinch knot and seems stronger as well. You'll find that like beer, everyone has their favorites and they will defend their choice.

My only experience with fluoro is for leaders on my trolling setups so I can't really comment on them except to say that from what I've heard there is a HUGE difference in brands and quality. Have to agree with ShutUpnFish, I have not heard good things about Vanish.

If you switch to braid, just be careful setting the hook there is little to no stretch in these lines and you'll rip the hook right out of their mouths.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 12:00:42 PM

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For flourocarbon, I like Sequars.

To tie a lure or snap on with braided, use a planer knot. To tie braided (or flourocarbon leader) onto mono, use the uni to uni knot.

I've been using mono on my light reels, but I've considered switching to braid. I use braid on my trolling reels that I use for Dipseys and crank baits. I use mono for my trolling reels for downriggers.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 12:20:15 PM

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I personally use only two lines any more, Power Pro and McCoy Mean Green. I usually use the Power Pro in 16 alnd 25 lb weights and the McCoy in 4, 6 and 8 lb. For steelies I set up my Stradic with 16 lb Power Pro, tie in a small black swivel and then use 6 or 4 lb McCoy for the leader. This has worked great early in the fall, before the temperatures drop below freezing. When the temperatures go down, I have an Okuma Stratus spooled up with 6 lb McCoy. The reason for the change is I found that the braids tend to hold more water and this can lead to more ice in the eyes.

When I am using my flyrod, I use McCoy as tippet material. It is a lot cheaper than the fluorocarbon tippet material and I think it is stronger and the knots hold better.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 12:22:52 PM

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I would have to make the comparison of mono and braid pretty much exactly like carbon vs. aluminum arrows. With the new braids out there these days, I don't know why anyone would even consider using mono anymore really. Other than tradition and lack of progression and changing what has worked for them for so many years. BUT whats wrong with BETTER? I don't know, I guess its just me, but I've switched everything to braids like Power Pro, Tuf-Line and Spiderwire....for muskies, walleye, bass, trout, steelhead, stripers and everything else I fish for. Just look at what they use in saltwater...pretty much ALL braid. And the #1 reason I like it is feel, #2 strength, #3 no stretch for quicker hook setting power. IMO mono has nothing over the braid except for more invivsibility and thats the only reason why I tip all of my braids with floro or mono leaders.......Just my 2 cents.

AND...just do a poll on Vanish and you'll see the results. Fishermen who catch a lot of fish will tell you the same thing, Vanish IS junk.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 12:37:52 PM

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I would have to make the comparison of mono and braid pretty much exactly like carbon vs. aluminum arrows. With the new braids out there these days, I don't know why anyone would even consider using mono anymore really. Other than tradition and lack of progression and changing what has worked for them for so many years. BUT whats wrong with BETTER? I don't know, I guess its just me, but I've switched everything to braids like Power Pro, Tuf-Line and Spiderwire....for muskies, walleye, bass, trout, steelhead, stripers and everything else I fish for. Just look at what they use in saltwater...pretty much ALL braid. And the #1 reason I like it is feel, #2 strength, #3 no stretch for quicker hook setting power. IMO mono has nothing over the braid except for more invivsibility and thats the only reason why I tip all of my braids with floro or mono leaders.......Just my 2 cents.

AND...just do a poll on Vanish and you'll see the results. Fishermen who catch a lot of fish will tell you the same thing, Vanish IS junk.

I'll agree braid has it's advantages, but in my opinion it has plenty of disadvantages too. I don't like braid on my steelhead or trout setups. I think it casts heavy lures just fine, or even better than mono. But lighter lures/rigs don't seem to cast as well for me. I also don't like having to mess with barrel swivels to tie a leader on, and don't know of a good way to attach mono or fluoro to braid without a swivel. Tying them straight to one another cuts the mono or fluoro too easy. Also, I switch lures/flies/baits often, and hate having to cut the braid with something, with mono/fluoro I just bite it and by the time I would have found my braid cutters I'm am fishing again with mono/fluoro. When tying lighter leaders off of braid, I tend to break off more, I've never really master the delicate hooks set, usually ripp the lips off them. With no stretch braid you don't need the heavy hooks set, but I just can't help myself sometimes.

I do love braid for fishing topwater though, the fish don't seem to mind the braid tied directly to the lure and it's great not having to worry about losing an expensive topwater. I think the original fireline smoke is the best (the newer crystal stuff is junk). I didn't like powerpro for casting either, I like the flat fireline, doesn't seem to tangle as badly as the round power pro. My buddy has it on his trolling reels though and it's seems fine on them.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 12:42:18 PM

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Actually, I can't think of 1 situation when trout or steelhead fishing where braid would be an advantage, at least not to me and the tactics that I use most often.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 2:33:23 PM

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What brand and weight line do you perfer for perch fishing and bass fishing? I too use 6lb. McCoy Mean Green for steelhead fishing. Although I only went twice last year and did not catch a steelie. Caught a sucker though! YES!

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 3:20:12 PM

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I catch a lot of fish too. I fish about 2-3 times a week all year. I'll keep using my berkely flourocarbon and keep pulling them in.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 3:53:52 PM

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Another trick (??) - tie your braided to a barrel swivel (palomar) and then your mono (flouro) leader to the barrel.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 9:04:08 PM

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What brand and weight line do you perfer for perch fishing and bass fishing? I too use 6lb. McCoy Mean Green for steelhead fishing. Although I only went twice last year and did not catch a steelie. Caught a sucker though! YES!

There are lots of decent mono lines. In my opinion this is the best monofilament made....

http://www.fishusa.com/DAM-Tectan-Premium-Plus-Monofilament_p.html?i=F7D48DA6272B46BC88B2A8CB331465CE

The 11.9 lb test would probably work for any of the bass and perch fishing your going to do. Or you might want to spool up with the 9.2 for the perch and/or bass fishing the open water away from heavy weed or cover, and spool the other with the 15lb for the weeds.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 11:29:40 PM

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Tying braid to mono or floro is quite easy and without using a barrel swivel. I use a double uni knot or albright knot which both cast very well. I also have used 10lb. braided (2lb to 4lb. diameter) with light lures for trout and any other lighter applications. The strength amazes me for being so thin and casts very well IMO.

catchinfish: I'm not knocking what you use as long as it works well for you...thats great. I'm just speaking from my own experiences and that of many other's I know. For me, the Vanish twists up like crazy after just a few fish caught (especially steelhead) and the knot strength doesn't seem near as good as some of the others that I've tried.

Tight Lines.

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/5/2008 11:57:36 PM

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Re: "twists" - that's why I use barrel swivel!

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RE: Braid vs. Mono - 8/6/2008 12:32:31 AM

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When you tie braid directly to a 4' floro leader, you get virtually no twist anyway. Have fun casting with a barrel swivel attached to a 4' lead. Another advantage to braid, you get virtually NO twisting of the line. Hence, no memory.

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