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Big Cat??? - 7/13/2008 10:13:04 PM   
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Has anyone ever seen any BIG CATS in NY??? 

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/13/2008 11:03:46 PM   
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Has anyone ever seen any BIG CATS in NY??? 


Came across a foot print of a very large cat in the Adirondacks(about ten years ago), but have never seen one.  I did some research back then and found that large cats(mountain lions are very rare), bobcats and now the lynx(which I think have been reintroduced) are more common, how much more common I dont know.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/19/2008 10:49:07 PM   
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Has anyone ever seen any BIG CATS in NY??? 


Big cats as in meow? Or big cats as in fish? Ive seen both.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/19/2008 11:18:45 PM   
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I know that there have been increased frequency of bobcat sightings as well as evidence in the finger lakes region.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/20/2008 10:29:44 AM   
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Big cats as in meow? Or big cats as in fish? Ive seen both.


I was wondering the same thing at first jonny, but pretty sure he was talking about the cats that meow.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/20/2008 2:24:22 PM   
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Meow it is. My buddy has 60 acres by norwich ny. We were camping out and I was sleeping in his lean-to ,About 5 am I heard a growl. Almost pissed myself. I looked over by my friends tents and there it was. A medium size mountain lion with a tag in its ear. I threw a cup of lantern fuel on the fire and off it went. My buddy called the dec later in the day an filled them in. The dec told him that their were some tag but 80 miles or so away. They were suprized they made it that far so quickly. He has a house up there now thank god. Needless to say the guns stay outside now. Why is everything slanted???????Computers

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/20/2008 4:41:01 PM   
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I pass through Norwich on Rt. 12 going to the Adirondacks.  We used to stop at a diner called Ossies for breakfast every year.  At least I think the diner was in Norwich, can you confirm jonny?

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/20/2008 9:19:16 PM   
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I pass through Norwich on Rt. 12 going to the Adirondacks.  We used to stop at a diner called Ossies for breakfast every year.  At least I think the diner was in Norwich, can you confirm jonny?

Yep, thats in norwich. I never ate there but been there for the car shows. You were only 20 min from my friends land. Let me know when your up that way. My best friend has a 5 acre pond on his land(56 acres . Top notch property and a lot of toys. great bass fishing. State land on 3 sides. Really a gem . One of my favorite places . He real cool and he can care less about the yankees or rangers. Youll get along just fine. I will bust your balls ,Its the very least I can do to a cryers fan. Dont shop at the walmart there. It put a lot of little mom and pop shops out of buiness in norwich. Ill be going up in 2 weeks. Fish and drink on the kayaks, big fires, a little riding,should be a blast.peace

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/20/2008 10:32:19 PM   
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I havent been up that way in a few years and I miss it.  Hopefully I will get there soon.  Have a good trip and remember, drinking, kayaking and fire can be a dangerous combination!

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/21/2008 6:22:25 AM   
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Rounded a corner while steelhead fishing and all but stepped on a bobcat. It just pulled it's ears back and stared at me trying to decide whether the fight or the flight mode was in order. Reeeeaaaallll glad it decided on flight. Lots of teeth and  claws on display.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/21/2008 7:47:24 AM   
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seen some big tracks on 20 mile creek close to NY border but still in PA

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/21/2008 7:53:22 AM   
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Rounded a corner while steelhead fishing and all but stepped on a bobcat. It just pulled it's ears back and stared at me trying to decide whether the fight or the flight mode was in order. Reeeeaaaallll glad it decided on flight. Lots of teeth and  claws on display.


I would have had to change my waders!

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/21/2008 9:30:59 AM   
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It took a while for the heart to slow to normal and I've never looked over my shoulder when fishing as I did that day. Don't even want to think of the outcome if Mr Tabby had rabies and the instinct of survival hadn't won out. While it really wasn't all that big,my minds eye of the moment has it maybe 21/2 to 3 times the size of a big house cat,20-30 lb with zero body fat, when it curled it's mouth and hissed the teeth were very impressive and it would be a definate handful. 

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/23/2008 4:21:26 AM   
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Has anyone ever seen any BIG CATS in NY??? 


Big cats as in meow? Or big cats as in fish? Ive seen both.
   I'm talking bigger then a bobcat!!! I seen some "Couger" tracks in Poestenkill last year while going bow hunting!! Right behind my house, and a few years ago my son and I seen one turkey hunting but DEC told me that there are "NO" cougers in NY State!!!! But just as I thought I'm not the only one to see them!! Glad that you guys see some TOO!! I think DEC has been releaceing  them out without telling any one about them!!

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/23/2008 9:28:58 AM   
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They say their are no bigfoots also but lots of people see them!

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/23/2008 11:42:38 PM   
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They say their are no bigfoots also but lots of people see them!
  I did twice!!!!

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/24/2008 12:19:02 PM   
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They say their are no bigfoots also but lots of people see them!
  I did twice!!!!


I would like to hear about that!

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/28/2008 12:35:44 PM   
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Amazingly, South Florida is the only place in the Eastern United States where mountain lions/cougars/ FL Panters (all "Felis Concolor") are documented to exist "in the wild".  Contrary to popular belief, the Florida Panther is the same as all the others...  Tawny tan color- not black...

A few lions have been killed by cars in VA and NC on the Blue Ridge, but each necropsy has revealed that these cats were domesticated maountain lions (declawed, etc) that had escaped or were reintroduced illegally from 'Big Cat Recovery Centers" that rehabilitate big cats from TX and the Southwest.

I sure would love to think they are in the Northeast- but so far no documented cases can be confirmed.  But there are 25-30lb bobcats out there (which is reduculously huge for a bobcat) that often get people excited!  So far no deer kills, tracks or other evidence has led to confrimed Catamount presence in the Northeast...

Someday though, I bet!!!  Sooner or later they will return from up North!  The moose and the bears sure have come back in full force!  And with all the deer (lions preferred prey) the word should 'get out' sometime that the Northeast is the place to find a hot lunch!!!



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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/28/2008 2:38:50 PM   
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Neversink;
You are correct about South Florida being the supposed only place on the East with a natural population of mountain lions.  I am a little skeptical about this.  I read, a long time ago, that mountain lions have a very large range and may be coming into New York from Canada.  I am not sure how true this is, but with all the sitings one would think that it is possible.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 7/28/2008 9:24:18 PM   
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According to John Lutz, co-founder of the Eastern Puma Research Network: "I’d like to set the record straight … there are definitely WILD big cats in the Empire State. The majority of WILD mountain lions are in the Adirondack Park Region, but smaller populations survive in the Catskills & Finger Lake Regions."
The organization claims more than 900 reported sightings of these big cats in the state since 1965, many of them "from credible witnesses with backgrounds in forestry, law enforcement and wildlife."


I know what I saw and it was much larger than a bobcat. It was early, first light, and friggin scary.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 8/3/2008 8:06:57 AM   
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One question I have had for years:  Why would the officials continue to deny the presence, if in fact mountain lion/cougar are here?  Just wondering.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 8/3/2008 9:05:20 AM   
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I would say that DEC doesn't want the responsility and it would put the fear of god in most people!!

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RE: Big Cat??? - 8/7/2008 12:12:32 AM   
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I'm from PA.  I live in ithaca now.  About 6 miles from where I grew up in PA a man has an exotic game farm, emu, ostrich and llama for the most part.  He was complaining about his animals being killed by a cougar.  The PA game commission denied everything and "There are no cougars in Pennsylvania".  So he shot it the cougar had a PAGC tracking collar and he got fined for shooting a federally protected animal.  I think that state offices generally don't want it known if they are reintroducing potentially dangerous animals.  I don't have any reason to believe that this isn't a true incident.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 8/7/2008 12:45:56 AM   
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Where in PA??

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I'm from PA.  I live in ithaca now.  About 6 miles from where I grew up in PA a man has an exotic game farm, emu, ostrich and llama for the most part.  He was complaining about his animals being killed by a cougar.  The PA game commission denied everything and "There are no cougars in Pennsylvania".  So he shot it the cougar had a PAGC tracking collar and he got fined for shooting a federally protected animal.  I think that state offices generally don't want it known if they are reintroducing potentially dangerous animals.  I don't have any reason to believe that this isn't a true incident.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 8/7/2008 7:33:09 AM   
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The heard that the same thing happened in NY!! A guy shot a big cat and had it in his barn.  DEC showed up??? They took the cat, come to find out it(the cat) had a chip in it!! DEC was tracking it and that's how they found it the mans barn!! No reports to be found!! Just tell us the truth!!! We can handle it!! Well I can!! Big Cat are COOL!!

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RE: Big Cat??? - 8/8/2008 10:24:22 PM   
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I think its great, a lot of people are bent about bears being around and are scared.  When you think about it Ithaca is pretty much 10 square miles surrounded by a lot of rugged and remote country.  Anything can and once did reside in the finger lakes region.  Awareness is the key here, bear cubs are not cute.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 8/15/2008 11:43:59 PM   
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DEC: Photo Probably Shows Bobcat
    
    By BREN MIOSEK
    
    HARTWICK - After years of hearsay and speculation, local biologists said this week that an animal photographed in the Town of Hartwick is a mountain lion. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation officials in Stamford said the animal in the picture looks more like a bobcat, but if it is a mountain lion, it would be the first proof of such an animal in Otsego County in more than a century.
    The man who snapped the photo said the sighting was almost an accident.
    "I was watching the evening news one night back in June, when I got up to get a glass of water," said a Town of Hartwick resident who asked to remain anonymous. "As I was doing so, I noticed a large animal moving through my back yard. I told my wife that there was a bobcat out back, and to grab the camera. She came around the corner with the camera and said, 'that's not a bobcat. That's a mountain lion.'"
    Although taken from a distance, the photograph shows what appears to be a large feline in tall grass, just off the edge of a residential property.
    Excited SUNY-Oneonta Biological Field Station officials said they agreed with the photographer's assessment.
    "The photograph presented to us appears to be of a mountain lion," said BFS Director Dr. Willard "Bill" Harman.
    "There's really nothing else that the image in the photograph looks like other than a mountain lion," said Assistant BFS Director Matt Albright after viewing the photo beneath a magnified screen.
    BFS officials went on to say that the mountain lion could have been an escaped captive, and that the only such animal they were aware of was at Lollypop Farm and Petting Zoo in Hartwick.
    The zoo, however, closed on December 31 of 2003, and the owners said the mountain lion they had in captivity died before that.
    "We used to have a mountain lion," they said, "but it died a year ago November of natural causes."
    Officials cautioned that doctored photographs claiming to show mountain lions circulate.
    According to Ed Weidner, owner of Cooperstown 1 Hour Photo, while digital photographs are often manipulated, it is "almost impossible" to alter 35 millimeter film, the method with which the Hartwick photo was taken.
    "When it's on a negative, you really can't doctor a negative," Weidner said.
    After carefully examining the negative in his West Beaver Street lab, Weidner said conclusively that the film had not been altered.
    While a picture may be worth a thousand words, several local residents have recently offered their own tales of mountain lion encounters.
    "I've been seeing mountain lions in a field off of County Route 33, across from Brewery Ommegang, for the last three years," said Cooperstown resident Kurt Terrano. "This past summer I was on my way home when I noticed something in a corn field. I stopped my truck and started backing up for a better look. What I saw was an adult mountain lion with a dead coyote pup in its mouth. I'm an avid hunter. I know the difference between a mountain lion, a bobcat, a wolf and a coyote."
    "People have been telling me for months about the mountain lions they keep seeing," said another Town of Hartwick resident who asked not to be identified. "Sightings have been growing in popularity. I saw the same photo the guys down at the BFS saw and I agree - the photo shows a mountain lion crouching in tall grass. I believe that the mountain lions that people are seeing were released by the DEC."
    Rumors suggesting that the DEC - in collaboration with the insurance industry - released mountain lions to keep down the white tailed deer population of Otsego County, and therefore the number of deer-related automobile accidents.

 
 

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RE: Big Cat??? - 8/17/2008 1:54:06 PM   
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Yes,  I saw 3 all together in upstate, NY back in 1976-77!!!  Atawny, and 2 all black.  They all were same size; 100+lbs each.  They appeared to be chasing each other or chasing something.  They ran out of an old abandoned barn that sat up behind my neighbors house across the st.  They then ran on up and around vehind the barn and into the woods!  I know what everyone says about there not being blk cougars, but they also say there can't be jags that far north either!!!!!  My eyes don't deceive e, and I do know what I saw.  My niece stood there with me and also saw them.  Afterward we walked over there and saw the lg cat tracks there in the mud by the barn.  The pad prints measured 5" across.  No mistaking what I saw!  Other people that lived in that vicinity at times the tawny one, or one of the blk ones!  I always thought it strange that if the BBC's don't exist there then why I had seen 2 BBC's together with a tawny?  Leen.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 8/22/2008 7:23:04 AM   
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A couple of reintroduced lynx passed through here a couple years ago.

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RE: Big Cat??? - 8/30/2008 10:30:30 PM   
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I would say that DEC doesn't want the responsility and it would put the fear of god in most people!!


I'm with you on that one Perch ... i believe DEC has tried out some re-introducing of them myself. I have never seen one but many years back i saw some interesting sign on Alcove property. Which is a good size of property off limits to EVERYTHING (no fishing,hunting,hiking etc ...)  makes you wonder. (and don't ask what i was doing there LOL)

About 10yrs ago there was a pic in the T.U. from Westerlo, very close to Alcove !!!

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