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A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 9:03:58 AM

pxatim

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Seems like theres a lot of people unhappy with things as of late.

I don't care what you think but here's my thoughts

This board is one of the sites I frequent the most, not only is it entertaining but I have learned so much from the collective minds on here. I started fishing for Steelhead with not a clue as to what I was doing, I learned the hard way on my own. Now it's fun taking people to Erie and getting them up to speed and on fish in a weekends time.

Maybe things aren't going the way you want on here... I am guilty of that also. But WHO CARES.. deal with it or try and make a difference. If you are passionate about fishing there are so many people on here that can help you. The Fly Fishing and Fly Tying boards on here are the bread and butter of this board. So much information in there.

The search feature is your friend! If you have time to log on you have time to do a quick search.

Here are just a few threads I keep saved in my favorites...

Hotels/Campgrounds/Restaurants
http://forums.fishusa.com/m_102352/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#104262

Stream Guages and Conditions
http://forums.fishusa.com/Erie_stream_conditions_and_trip_info/m_242653/tm.htm

Steelhead questions answered(there's another great one by danjae out there also)
http://forums.fishusa.com/Read_this_if_you_have_a_question_regarding_Steelhead_fishing/m_103475/tm.htm

Posting Pictures
http://forums.fishusa.com/Help_for_those_that_need_it_posting_pictures%25/m_33830/tm.htm

IMO the best thread made on here... swinging flies
http://forums.fishusa.com/m_180333/mpage_1/key_swinging%2Cflies/tm.htm

Tandem rigs
http://forums.fishusa.com/tandem_flies/m_127885/tm.htm

If you can't figure out where to go from this site then you have problems...
http://www.fish.state.pa.us/steelhead.htm

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 9:07:01 AM

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way to step up, tim

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 9:19:52 AM

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 9:28:23 AM

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How about a Big Lurkers "I AGREE"!

Think about it for a second. People (be they local guys or whatever) that give friendly helpful information with no advantage for themselves. They Already have to deal with the masses at streamside and They know that probably 10times more people read than respond. YET still they give the helpful advice... It really is amazing that people volunteer SO Much information.

sometimes I don't get it. The out of towners ought to be like umm, offering to come up and buy lunch for the regular posters rather than being ticked by a few wisecrackish jokes.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 9:31:00 AM

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i can understand how guys from far away could use some help. i don't have an issue with that at all. i have found that through pms, i have been able to get answers to all my questions here. there is just a more diplomatic way to gather info from you north coast guys. everyone learns with time.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 9:35:57 AM

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quote:

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i can understand how guys from far away could use some help. i don't have an issue with that at all. i have found that through pms, i have been able to get answers to all my questions here. there is just a more diplomatic way to gather info from you north coast guys. everyone learns with time.

This is what I don't understand. What could they use help with? I haven't heard a valid reason for them to be given any information. They have all the same resources the locals use at their fingertips. It's already been established that most locals don't go check the streams the day before they plan to fish... A whole trip could be planned using this website and Google, no driving involved...

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 9:36:08 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rapala11

i can understand how guys from far away could use some help. i don't have an issue with that at all. i have found that through pms, i have been able to get answers to all my questions here. there is just a more diplomatic way to gather info from you north coast guys. everyone learns with time.

I agree Rap. Maybe its an age/technology issue. I am one of the younger guys and I have some amount of internet savvy, so anytime I fish somewhere new I tend to research it on the internet for myself, as well as consulting maps, articles, newspaper clippings that I may have assembled over the years. Some of the older guys may not be accustomed to internet research, so when they find this site, the first thing they do is start looking for free/cheap info, when, in reality, they could find it all themseleves with little effort...

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 9:44:01 AM

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cp, i talked to a young man last night who has never fished conneaut. i have, though just a few times. all he needed was a place to start, nothing more. i was more than happy to give him a couple of places from my very limited store of knowledge. he lives hours from the stream and to get up there in the wee hours and find a place may be difficult.

beyond that, the walking should begin. case in point: in 1981 i was laid off for awhile and had time to fish pymatuning extensively. i love wading and during that spring and summer, i virtually waded the whole ohio side. took a whole summer and many trips, but the knowledge i gained was invaluable. however, a close friend gave me a couple of starting points. beyond that, it was up to my legs and eyes.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 9:53:02 AM

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Hell, with the way this group is, its more painless to ask google!

The how-far-upstream thing is truly among the most nonsensical questions asked, simply because the tribs are so smal.

Stop at McKean. If they aren't there, you'll know it. Maybe try Sterrettania next...lather, rinse, repeat.

And that's on the LARGEST trib.

Also, like others have said, its worth it to try PMing. I've asked people about hot flies, likely spots, etc. in private, and gotten great answers. I'm careful not to ask things like, "How many steelhead are at the Legion Hole?" but rather, something more like "Has the rain got them moving again, or are they stacked in the pools?"

It might seem dumb to some, but at least it shows that I've been keeping tabs on the weather, learned a bit about their habits, and I'm asking a question that, without other knowledge, wont get me much in and of itself. Most guys that I've asked recognize that and respect the fact that while I am asking for help and "free information", it's not the beginning and end of my search; its just one more piece of the puzzle I'm working to assemble as I plan a trip.

Like most who travel 2+ hours to get to the tribs, I dont have the luxury of deciding to go, or not to go, the night before. I've planned a trip for this weekend, and come hell or high water (literally), I'll be there. I've learned that there's nearly always at least a little bit of fishable water somewhere, and learning to adapt to less-than-perfect conditions is a big part of the game in fishing in general and Erie in particular.

I understand that the #18 pheasant tail with green flash that was "the only thing they were eating" yesterday might be totally useless Saturday, when they want a big stinky gob of skein, so I dont bother asking if a small nymph will work. If I think it might, I'll try it.

Also, it might make me a jerk to some people, but I dont do that even for friends. Last night, my one fishing buddy said for me to let him know what the streams were gonna be like for the weekend and then he'd let me know if he was still going. I said no, look up weather & stream conditions on your own and make your own decision. I dont want to tell him it'll be really high and have him stay home only to have a great day...OR to tell him conditions will be good and then get skunked. He, like everyone else, needs to take responsibility for their own fishing success and failure. I wasn't mad at him, I just explained that I'm going up either way, so stream conditions, to me, were favorable. But favorable to me might not be favorable to him.

EDIT: Fixed funky wording.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 10:02:08 AM

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Good workTim!!

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 10:03:29 AM

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The thing that gets me is the people who preface their request for spoonfeeding with how far they have to drive to Erie. As if the fish aren't a certain distance upstream or if there are not X number of fish in Y spot, then somehow the trip is not worth it to them.

Everybody who chooses to fish for steelhead, and become proficient at it, sacrifices time and money. Even locals. For me, the drive to Poor Richards is 114 miles. This is my 6th steel head season, and I can't recall, even in my early days, coming on here and asking where the fish were or if it was "worth the drive up." I had a lot of fishless days in my first two seasons. But for me, getting on the water, learning a new game and occasionally hooking into a steelhead was definitely "worth it."

I have no problems with people asking for advice about techniques, baits, gear, etc. But really guys, check the weather forecast and weather almanacs that give rainfall totals for the week or month, check the gauges, look at the angler maps and do a little legwork. As many have said on here before, it doesn't take more than 1/2 hour to drive along Elk starting at 79 and check the access points for vehicles and by process of elimination come to a decent conclusion about how high up the fish have migrated.

Everybody who fishes in Erie, even the locals, would love to fall out of their vehicle and catch fish all day long. If you wanna fish the stop sign hole or the Elk access, that's a real possibility.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 10:24:38 AM

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About time everyone starts coming to there senses on this whole topic. Excellent points from everyone. PM's are a great way to get the information you need. It's in Private, and someone is more tempted to help you that way, then telling 100 other members that are reading it.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 10:30:43 AM

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One more thing. If you're a muphere or out of towner, strike up conversations on the stream.

You'd be pleasantly surprised at how many guys you meet stream side will be willing to share tips on technique and such. Some might even share a new hot spot or two with you as well. I've met a few locals over the years who have been very helpful in this regard, and if I have questions about a certain stream or the conditions, they are more than willing to share information through a PM or a phone call.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 10:59:52 AM

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Nice post Tim.

As Cold, Rap and others stated....do a little legwork for yourself...and if your still having trouble...pm somebody, most all of us will share this way.

Most of us WILL NOT say "if it's worth it"...it's subjective to the individual.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 11:56:44 AM

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Nice post Tim and I agree. I used to follow along and even joined a few other fishing forums but seldom visit any of them, reason being, they are BOREING compared to this one. I followed this one for a couple of years and gatherd as much knowledge as I could to prepare myself as best I could to finally head up to the tribs to fish. I used to enjoy reading the posts, especially those made by a fellow who called himself "The Cripp." Always wanted to meet him but figured what was the chance of that, because at that time I was not a member here. Anyway, one day in early spring while fishing Spring Creek I struck up a conversation with the fellow fishing next to me. In the course of talking about fishing in general I asked him if he ever fished for steelhead. He said he did. I asked him if he was aware of the FishErie web site and he told me that he was and that he was a member. I asked him what his screen name was and after he told me I said I was familiar with it and recall reading some of the posts he made. I asked him if by chance he new who the Cripp was. He said sure and as a matter of fact he was supposed to be at the parking area around noon. I headed to the parking area around noon and the fellow I had met earlier came down to where I was and told me that Terry, AKA The Cripp, was there and to come on up and meet him. Terry and I hit it off great right from the start and he became one of my best friends. That day he showed me some other places on Spring Creek to fish, and truth be told we spent more time talking than fishing. Through the course of time we did manage to spend time fishing together at some of his favorite spots on Jones creek and Honey creek as well as Spring creek. He always caught more than me and I don't remember anybody enjoying catching a fish more than him. He was the one who talked me into joining this forum. We always wanted to go up together to the Chromedome as he called it to fish for the steel, but unfortunately he passed away before we ever did. Point is, this is a great place to learn and gather info, and if your as lucky as I was, to meet up with someone who will become a friend for life.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 12:25:42 PM

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One more thing. If you're a muphere or out of towner, strike up conversations on the stream.

You'd be pleasantly surprised at how many guys you meet stream side will be willing to share tips on technique and such. Some might even share a new hot spot or two with you as well. I've met a few locals over the years who have been very helpful in this regard, and if I have questions about a certain stream or the conditions, they are more than willing to share information through a PM or a phone call.

Absolutely right. I remember last year I was fishing next to 2 guys and the one right next to me was obviously struggling. I found out it was his first time steelhead fishing and though I'm by no means an expert, I gave him a few pointers on how to fight and land them. Before long, he had landed his first ever steelhead and I don't know who was happier, him or me. Don't be afraid to ask questions. Like anywhere in life there will be jerks, but don't let that discourage you.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 2:33:14 PM

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That is the greatest aspect about this site. I have met and fished with some great people. Fished in places I might not have gone to if I hadn't been invited etc...Sure we have some smart ass fun..but all in all if you ask a good question you will get a good answer...if you ask a silly question...well...welcome to the NFL.

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Point is, this is a great place to learn and gather info, and if your as lucky as I was, to meet up with someone who will become a friend for life.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/22/2009 5:31:18 PM

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Pxatim...I agree,I also learned a lot from these forms.My post wasnt asking to be spoonfeed or for free help.I was just comenting on how Quick everyone wants to get into a battle with anyone they disagree with.I dont post often because usually the question has been answered by the time I read it.I watch the weather make phone calls and allways take a walk to explore on my own....P.S the flytying form is awsome. Sorry to have ruffled so many feathers. Mook

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/23/2009 12:17:12 AM

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Gentlemen,
As an "old timer" to the tribs, but a short timer to the web I have to agree with most of what everyone else has to say. Some of you have gleaned a little knowledge from me over the past couple of years (I hope). As a person who is almost at a loss as to the internet I can truthfully say that if I can discover information from 500 miles away then ANYBODY who can access this forum should be able to. I have also developed a nice circle of friends (which seems to expand exponentially every year) who I can call or pm and get some very good information. I really have to plan my trips since it wastes a day for the trip up, and a day for the trip back but I still come up and I still "explore". last year I "discovered" a hole on Walnut that I never knew existed (after 30 years) and I fished it a lot in the late season.
But now it seems that I enjoy getting a person on their first fish and helping them land it, than I do actually catching more than 1 or 2 myself. I kept count during my time up for the "One Fly"; I caught 14 fish myself, helped 4 people land their first one, and netted about 50 for others. All-in-all a succesful time on the tribs for me. Be nice, pass it on.

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RE: A regulars "NON" rant - 10/23/2009 12:45:21 AM

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But now it seems that I enjoy getting a person on their first fish and helping them land it, than I do actually catching more than 1 or 2 myself. I kept count during my time up for the "One Fly"; I caught 14 fish myself, helped 4 people land their first one, and netted about 50 for others. All-in-all a succesful time on the tribs for me. Be nice, pass it on.

I've achieved a point in my own life where I feel better about puttin my bud on fish and game. If I see the fish....that's where I put YOU, If I hear the critters, YOUR workin' that way. It's a different.....more satisfiying feeling.....To me anyway.

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