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"the most prolific fishery in the world in our bac... - 9/13/2008 9:01:06 AM

KJH807

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I didn't mean to hijack the FFM thread last-night...
I don't want to start a juvenile name calling thread
I'm also not saying that fishing the erie tribs is not fun
BUT people are claiming "best in the world"
i can understand if you want to say the best in the Great Lakes
(for that you'll still get an argument)
but the world??? come'on

I think it is funny how much people bitch about walnut and Elk, them 2 weeks later will call it the "the most prolific fishery in the world"
(sorry StormWarning for using your quote, not a personal thing)

what makes it prolific?

do you really think it is the best steelhead fishery in the world?
I understand some people play the numbers game...

i don't think you can classify a water as world class on #s alone

the best smallmouth?
I can name you 5 other fisheries within the Mid-atlantic that would top Erie

the best Waleye?
look to lakes in MN or ONT to top out erie

It's great that people come to fish Erie... but it is not the best in the world

i'm going fishing for these...

i expect that there will be a strong disagreement when I get back

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 9:06:45 AM

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Please name those other fisheries that top the smallmouth and walleye fishing on lake erie.

Do any of those places have the great fishing for all these species in the same place?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prolific

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 9:17:29 AM

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walleye
Rainy Lake MN
Lake of the Woods MN
Standford Lake ONT
White Otter Lake ONT

bronzebacks
The potomac system
the new
james
BSF

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 9:38:32 AM

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I can drive to Erie, pulling a boat and fish the lake. If I can learn to catch eyes there and score a really nice fish, that means there are plenty of fish. We ovserved many full tickets on repeated days for parties of 3. It takes 18+ hours to dirve to MN. Less to go to ONT and I think you'll need a passport and an anal inspection when you come back to the US.

Maybe, for many of us, you could "possibly" say drivable, world class fishery? I am not sure that is fair either.

Trib fishing for steelhead certainly presents another opportunity where even rank amatuers can learn enough to fair hook a limit.

Again, depends on perception, accessiblilty for a definition. I would argue that fish are in the lake and the tribs in substaintial quantity that even a rookie can score.

If you do not like the label, feel free to use your own. I belive that there are a lot of fishing opportunities to get excited about in Erie. I live close enough to take advantage of them.

MY .02

Brent

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 9:39:41 AM

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I would take Lake of the Woods for every species (obviously not steelies) over Erie any day of the week. I would also take the Columbia River system over Erie for all but Perch and Lakers. Missing one species does not make a body of water less prolific. If it did, then you could say that L. Ontario is more prolific than Erie due to having tremendous numbers of Browns, Kings, and Cohos. Many times a system that is lacking in one species more than makes up for that shortage with other species (Northerns, Muskies, Sturgeon).

As for Smallies, hands down the best smallie fishery east of the Mississippi is the New River. It would not surprise anyone with inside information if the next world record came out of there.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 9:51:48 AM

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brent...
"world class" means the entire world... and yes a passport may be needed

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 9:58:19 AM

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Tell me where in the world you could top this. 2 years ago I fished TWO days up in Erie. I caught a 40 inch 24lb 8 oz Lake Trout(in the Lake), a 10 lb Steelhead, and 6 lb Smallmouth(both in a stream by the way. My brother caught a 9 lb walleye. These were ONLY the big ones! We were fishing in early May. KJH you are obviously ONLY a carp fisherman. I hear its good carp fishing in the mighty Susquehanna River! Don't forget to pack some corn.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:03:04 AM

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Lake of the Woods, no questions asked. Instead of the Steelies though, how about 5 muskies over 40" with countless follows and more Northerns than you can shake a stick at? How about 3-7 lb. smallies until your arms are sore? How about pulling up to a hump and jigging walleyes as fast as you can put a bait down until a 48" Northern moves in to inspect...

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:15:14 AM

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quote:

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Tell me where in the world you could top this. 2 years ago I fished TWO days up in Erie. I caught a 40 inch 24lb 8 oz Lake Trout(in the Lake), a 10 lb Steelhead, and 6 lb Smallmouth(both in a stream by the way. My brother caught a 9 lb walleye. These were ONLY the big ones! We were fishing in early May. KJH you are obviously ONLY a carp fisherman. I hear its good carp fishing in the mighty Susquehanna River! Don't forget to pack some corn.

on any of the lakes i mentioned above...

Rainy Lake MN 3 hrs
2 45+ northerns
5lb+ bronzeback
and a handful of large walleye

and that doesn't count the other 200+ days on fly in only lakes and rivers that i forgot

World class is a tall order... what about mongolia, thailand, alaska, SALT

corn comes off to easily in my backcast... dougball has more substance and i would never fish the Susky... too clean and too far to drive

that carp was from a world class washington Co water res

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:16:29 AM

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Keep dreaming

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:27:16 AM

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Sometimes it is not worth arguing with some people. They don't get it and they never will... It is a big world, get out and explore it. You will be surprised that there are places "bigger" than where you live...

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:28:34 AM

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KJH, on my last trip up to Erie(Aug 16th) My brother and I caught 108 fish. We fished from 7 till 2 P.M. We kept 60 perch(all between 8 and 13 and half inches) We caught 5 Walleye, the smallest was 18 inches, the biggest was 29 inches 9 lbs. You can talk all you want but the fact is ERIE HAS IT ALL! Numbers AND Size. You know there are some big Muskys in Erie but very few fish for them. There are quite a few Northerns as well(just fish the lagoons in early spring) I dont know about size(My biggest to date is 36 inches). Where else in the world can you have it ALL!

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:30:03 AM

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Griff, I am not arguing, but stating some facts.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:31:58 AM

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Wow... 60 perch I am sure that could not be matched anywhere. I guess a pond in Butler county would have to be the most prolific then, because I can catch twice that many bluegills in the same time. The thing is, Erie is a great fishery, noone disputes that. It is not the best all around fishery in the world.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:32:59 AM

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Those lakes certainly sound like they compare, but are they better? Sounds like they are in the same class to me "world class".

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:33:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Noplacelikehome

Tell me where in the world you could top this. 2 years ago I fished TWO days up in Erie. I caught a 40 inch 24lb 8 oz Lake Trout(in the Lake), a 10 lb Steelhead, and 6 lb Smallmouth(both in a stream by the way. My brother caught a 9 lb walleye. These were ONLY the big ones! We were fishing in early May. KJH you are obviously ONLY a carp fisherman. I hear its good carp fishing in the mighty Susquehanna River! Don't forget to pack some corn.

Easy, Lower Niagara River.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:36:06 AM

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What part of the Potomac system? The health of the smallmouth in the Potomac system is questionable. These fish have not been healthy since the early 90's and even then had some nasty sores. The smallmouth in Erie are vibrant, healthy and strong. The Potomac, although a wonderful place to river fish (in some places it is looks prehistoric) the aethetics of the river valley make it worth the effort but I would never say that it is a better fishery than lake erie.

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ORIGINAL: KJH807

walleye
Rainy Lake MN
Lake of the Woods MN
Standford Lake ONT
White Otter Lake ONT

bronzebacks
The potomac system
the new
james
BSF

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:36:41 AM

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Griff, I am trying to give you real examples of why Erie IS the most prolific fishery in the world. Keep in mind I am only an above average fisherman. There are guys(in Erie) that literally catch fish all day long(I have seen it several times!!) I cant imagine what a (good) day fishing is for them.( 50 walleye, or 100 Steelys)

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:36:46 AM

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I'm not saying Erie isn't GREAT... but i think a classifications like "word class" is a bit much

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:37:07 AM

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:38:12 AM

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Still, You really owe it to yourself to pay them a visit. You will understand. Yeah, they really are better and not by a little bit, but a lot better. Just the setting alone ranks as one of the coolest places you can visit in North America. These aren't little bodies of water either, they are massive. The difference is that for much of the year, the majority of the fish species in Erie are isolated to certain areas. In Lake of the Woods or Rainy, you can walk out of the back porch and catch dinner of any number of species (excluding Lakers) on any day of the year.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:38:54 AM

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West Virginia sections..

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ORIGINAL: anadromous

What part of the Potomac system? The health of the smallmouth in the Potomac system is questionable. These fish have not been healthy since the early 90's and even then had some nasty sores. The smallmouth in Erie are vibrant, healthy and strong. The Potomac, although a wonderful place to river fish (in some places it is looks prehistoric) the aethetics of the river valley make it worth the effort but I would never say that it is a better fishery than lake erie.
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ORIGINAL: KJH807

walleye
Rainy Lake MN
Lake of the Woods MN
Standford Lake ONT
White Otter Lake ONT

bronzebacks
The potomac system
the new
james
BSF

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:39:51 AM

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I would also throw Alexandria Bay into the mix and say that it is as good as Erie.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:42:10 AM

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18and life you might be correct, but did you ever catch that many big and different fish all in 2 days in one body of water? I doubt it.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:42:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: anadromous

What part of the Potomac system? The health of the smallmouth in the Potomac system is questionable. These fish have not been healthy since the early 90's and even then had some nasty sores. The smallmouth in Erie are vibrant, healthy and strong. The Potomac, although a wonderful place to river fish (in some places it is looks prehistoric) the aethetics of the river valley make it worth the effort but I would never say that it is a better fishery than lake erie.
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ORIGINAL: KJH807

walleye
Rainy Lake MN
Lake of the Woods MN
Standford Lake ONT
White Otter Lake ONT

bronzebacks
The potomac system
the new
james
BSF

That is a valid point, many water systems in WVA and VA (central) have undergone some major fishkills in the last several years. That was why I did not qualify the James, Potomac or some others as their futures are questionable along with their present. The New however down around Va and NC, that is another story all together.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:43:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: griffon

Still, You really owe it to yourself to pay them a visit. You will understand. Yeah, they really are better and not by a little bit, but a lot better. Just the setting alone ranks as one of the coolest places you can visit in North America. These aren't little bodies of water either, they are massive. The difference is that for much of the year, the majority of the fish species in Erie are isolated to certain areas. In Lake of the Woods or Rainy, you can walk out of the back porch and catch dinner of any number of species (excluding Lakers) on any day of the year.

I understand, sounds great. It definitely sounds easier to fish. On any given day though, you can catch just as impressive fish in Erie.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:45:17 AM

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lake of the woods in on FSN right now...

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:50:58 AM

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No doubt, but different style of fishing. Trolling all day out in the big water is not my cup of tea although I do it occasionally. I would rather set up on a hump and actually cast to fish, keep a few, pull up to an island, cook shore lunch, go fishing some more, find another island cook dinner, find another island where the smell of dinner is too alluring and make camp for the night. The whole time, I might see a dozen other boats.

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:55:58 AM

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what is your classification for world class???

numbers?
size?
experience?
location?
eagerness of fish?
selectivifty of fish?
remoteness?
lack of people?
quaility of water (can you eat the fish)?
natural repro?
do you have to stalk and stay stealthy?
technical fishing?
or is it the best fishing in YOUR world (2hr drive)?

erie both lake and tribs can fill some of these... but definitely not all

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RE: "the most prolific fishery in the world in our... - 9/13/2008 10:55:59 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: griffon

No doubt, but different style of fishing. Trolling all day out in the big water is not my cup of tea although I do it occasionally. I would rather set up on a hump and actually cast to fish, keep a few, pull up to an island, cook shore lunch, go fishing some more, find another island cook dinner, find another island where the smell of dinner is too alluring and make camp for the night. The whole time, I might see a dozen other boats.

Now that gets into preference of fishing style and what you look for in a quality fishing experience. I don't know if you can factor that into the "prolific" fishery argument, lol.

If I lived the same distance from the two, It sounds like I'd be headed for the lake of the woods more often. Although, I've been a trout bum my entire life, so I always be headed to erie for steel. Guys can knock it for whatever reason they choose, that's fine by me. Let them go elsewhere, I like it right here.

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